bad traders list

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  1. kraddel

    kraddel Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2012 Belgium

    since i havn't had this problem before , i dont know how to add someone to the bad traders list. also, i wanna check if i should, before i do so. not gonna say the name of the trader here just yet, just in case off. Thing is, its all been discussed in PM, and i have all the previous messages as ' proof' . here's the short - version story :
    i worked out a trade together with another belgian friend , with this american person. we would ship things like zwanwe 2011 , other cantillon, etc . the american guy would sent dogfishhead beers and came out very cheap. but a deals a deal, so...
    when we got the package however, he filled in 100 dollars value , for - if i remember correct - 3 dfh beers, plus a few locals. becouse of this value, i had to pay up about 40 bucks.... i told him this, plus that the beers arived fine. some moments later, i did see one cap got loose, and the bottle leaked out half the way down. i did see those others were ' sticky' but not broken. i messaged him again ( intants later after the first message ) that the dfh did not make it alright.

    we worked out a deal where he would pay me the costs back, plus the dfh. he was offline for a week. he than excused himself, he was ' buisy for the holidays' and ' would settle this asap '
    last he was online , was end of december.
    so last week or so, he logged in again. i directly contacted him, he ignorred me. i talked about the bad traders list, he imidiatly responded. he would not pay me back cause 'he did not break the bottle' ...

    yet he did however, promised this in december, he would...

    i told him i'm very convinbced he should. i've had way to much broken bottles, i ALWAYS repay / replace them . so i feel like i should also get paid now the broke is on the other side, no ?

    so what do you guys think .?
     
    #1 kraddel, Mar 19, 2013
  2. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2012 Canada (YT)

    It's his responsibility to replace, he should be more than happy to knowing he traded dfh beers for zwanze.. Bad trader to me, unless this guy has a different story. Sounds like you should out him and update the list
     
    #2 jaminjohnson, Mar 19, 2013
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  3. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    Sick of these "I have a bad trader but I am not telling anyone who they are" threads.
     
    #3 Photekut, Mar 19, 2013
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  4. mkabull

    mkabull Zealot (721) Nov 2, 2007 Massachusetts
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    That guy should be so happy he was able to trade DFH for Zwanze and other Cantillon he should hand deliver his side of the trade. I don't think there is a trader in the forums that would not do that trade in a heartbeat. I hope this works out for you.
     
    #4 mkabull, Mar 19, 2013
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  5. kraddel

    kraddel Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2012 Belgium

    the reason i'm not giving the name yet, is that if i AM wrong , i'd be a real ashole giving his name, no ?


    but since there are no people yet who say i'm wrong here, i think it will be bad traders list. so how do i add someone?
     
    #5 kraddel, Mar 19, 2013
  6. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2012 Canada (YT)

    #6 jaminjohnson, Mar 19, 2013
  7. mkabull

    mkabull Zealot (721) Nov 2, 2007 Massachusetts
    Trader

    Most people want bad traders outed. If what you say is true he owes you what he said he would pay/resend. If you would rather just add him to the list submit the information so it hopefully won't happen again.
     
    #7 mkabull, Mar 19, 2013
  8. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina

    Giving up Cantillon for dogfish head and having to pay $40 in customs taxes is worse than never receiving a box.

    If anyone in Belgium wants to send me Cantillon, I'd send them much better stuff than DFH. :slight_smile:
     
    #8 ASUBeer, Mar 19, 2013
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  9. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I'm a Dogfish Head fan and this made me want to cry.
     
    #9 Hanzo, Mar 19, 2013
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  10. YaKnowBrady

    YaKnowBrady Pundit (809) Jul 23, 2010 New Jersey

    I’m somewhat confused/unclear about one part here.

    Does this mean that you felt your beers were of higher value, or that he overvalued his beers? Was this for his claimed value of the box for shipping protection purposes, or what you agreed on with Dollar-for-Dollar?

    Also, I’m assuming that this was internationally shipped? What were the bottles involved on his side of this trade, and which one leaked, so that we can advise regarding the value of the bottles? If they were some 12-oz bottles, unless they were 120 min or WWS, they were only a few bucks, and honestly, not worth him sending another package internationally for, and maybe something just worth working out via paypal. If they were one-offs (unlikely from DFH), or possibly 750s, it MAY be worth it to replace.

    However, honestly, as said above, he really should be bending over backwards to help you out, considering you sent him a Zwanze bottle, regardless of vintage. He obviously “won” this trade.
     
    #10 YaKnowBrady, Mar 19, 2013
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  11. kraddel

    kraddel Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2012 Belgium

    haha the zwanwe was the part of the other belgian guy . he's a big cantillon fan and got this idea in his head he realy wanted to try the dfh ... so yeah... i just shioped his beer along with mine to receive our beers in 1 package at my place. he want to happy with the broke one , too. i paid it back to him, but i never got that money back from the guy.. he's now on the bad traders list so the name can be given -> maximep . sad thing is, he has done so much trades, withoud trouble.. i felt realy safe due to that..
     
    #11 kraddel, Mar 19, 2013
  12. Krumb

    Krumb Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2008 Texas

    Nah...most people don't want to experience the same thing most of these threads highlight - a bad experience. It's really not about the pitchforks for some of us - it's about protecting ourselves from future incidents of this nature. Fact is, these people that contribute to bad experiences can't help themselves and will continue to take advantage of others on the site. Ignorance helps their cause.
     
    #12 Krumb, Mar 19, 2013
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  13. kraddel

    kraddel Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2012 Belgium

    i am down to my part ( i got like pumkping and mean old tom for other cantillon, de molen BA's, ..) my belgian friend ( shipped in the same package ) did the zwanze for 3 dfh : 120 minutes, jiahu and bitches brew. bitches brew leaked.

    the thing is i also feel like he won big with this trade. wich is not a real problem to mùe, but it now bothers me he doen't work along, knowing that...

    we had a deal he would paypall me, but he never did ( than he didnt log in for like 3 months , ignored me, than denied ,...)
     
    #13 kraddel, Mar 19, 2013
  14. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2012 Canada (YT)

    I bet that guy loved that trade!
     
    #14 jaminjohnson, Mar 19, 2013
  15. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I don't see why this guy would want to burn bridges with a trader willing to send loons for DFH beers, I'd send a replacement for the one that leaked so fast it would make your head spin.
     
    #15 Hanzo, Mar 19, 2013
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  16. Jparkanzky

    Jparkanzky Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio

    Other than the fact that he needs to find a way to work out a leaked bottle (to your friend, since you're not even the one out a bottle here) I think you're upset because you realize the bottles you sent are much more sought after.

    I think this is much more about that, than the fact a bottle leaked.

    "I sent Cantillon and got Pumking....whhahhaaa" well.... you shouldn't have agreed to the trade if you didn't like the beer you were getting in return for the beer you were sending.

    120 min. bitches brew, etc.... sounds like it went $4$ Sounds like you got what he said he would send, and all that needs to be resolved, is how he's going to make up for a $14 (or whatever it is) bottle that leaked.
     
    #16 Jparkanzky, Mar 19, 2013
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  17. kraddel

    kraddel Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2012 Belgium

    Since the zwanze wasnt mine , its not the value im freaking out about . Its sumply the fact we traded realy nixe to him , but the other way around wasnt that great . So yeah im gonna need the bitxhes paid back , plus what he owes me for filling in a to high value
     
    #17 kraddel, Mar 19, 2013
  18. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Kind of hard to understand you, but the bottom line is he either owes you a bottle of Bitches Brew, or the value of the bottle plus the cost you paid to get it to you. Nothing more, nothing less. You got the raw end of the deal here, but you agreed to the trade so that is irrelevant.
     
    #18 Hanzo, Mar 19, 2013
  19. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    Sounds like thats what he was asking for - replacement cost for the bottle, plus the extra $40 he had to pay on the shipping. And the guy agreed to take care of him via Paypal, but is now backing out because "he didnt break the bottle".

    Guy just needs to pay the $55 and square this up, which really should be a no brainer considering the trade
     
    #19 kmello69, Mar 19, 2013
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  20. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Canada (QC)

    Always report someone to the Bad Traders list before posting these kinds of threads. From there you will be able to see if you're jumping the gun too soon or dealing with an asshole.

    Jon
     
    #20 oldp0rt, Mar 19, 2013
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