Let's talk about trade winning and threadsh******.

My answer was not bullshit. My answer was simple economics. A trade would not happen if it was not mutually beneficial...so if a 4 pack of HT trades for a BA Dark Lord one must assume that both parties felt the trade was mutually beneficial and therefore a great trade.

You seem to think that you know whats best for people in the world of beer trading. You hold your opinion in high regard and feel that you are able to determine value for other people better than they can for themselves. I tend to disagree and feel that leaving people to make decisions about what is best for them is the better approach.

 

Good grief is right, your not talking about trading, your talking about monetizing value, and using silly comparisons of non perishable goods. Assuming you couldn't sell either would your rather have a $20 stout or a $500 thimble? What your telling people is you shouldn't trade your beer for the beer you want but the one that is most in line with your beers value...which is of course nonsense since the point of beer is to consume and enjoy

 

People disagree with this? I mean, I guess this thread is advertisement that they do, but it's kind of a nonsense position.

 

The postion would make sense if people weren't constantly angry about others trying to maximize value and trade up etc. The current community cultivates new traders into thinking about value, value, value, then gets pissed at them when they post "what's my beer worth" thread and trys to maximize said value. They will learn how to monetize their beer soon enough, why not let them have those few ignorant months where they try new beer for fun, instead of for it's value and collect-ability?

 

When I first started out I traded a Bourbon County Vanilla for a Dark Lord.

I really wish I had a friend to give me a 'V8-commercial-smack-on-the-head' before I agreed to it. Oh well, I should be done with therapy in a few months (I actually drank the DL, whelp).

 

There's a difference between maximizing value and getting fair value.

Also, people don't generally get angry when someone posts something like that out of genuine ignorance. See the recent thread by the guy with the 'loons.

 

poorly chosen word aside, the community teaches new traders what the should be trading for based on collective community value and not what the new trader necessarily wants based on his taste and experience. and if someone has their own way of assigning value they get lambasted.

 

That sounds perfectly fine to me

 

I really don't understand how posting "you could get more for that" is "getting lambasted", but whatever. People only get lambasted when they ask for too much, not too little. I really don't understand where you're coming from here.

 

If I could post a clapping .gif I really, really would

 

Are you saying, in a roundabout way, that AleWatcher is a threadshitter?

 

Why did you want the dl? Did you already have the vanilla? There both even in price. Both got what the wanted. Its just beer

 

right, what's the difference?

Here is what most on BA saeem to believe:
1.) There is a beer community on BA
2.) As a community we have agreed to value beer in such a way
3.) If you value beer in a way different from the community you are either:

An ignorant newb and need to be protected. (giving up to much value)​

Ahole greedy 2012er and need to be lynched (asking for too much value)​

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I find this unfortunate, It emphasizes beer value instead of a beer journey. It teaches new traders to constantly think about value. You say your just giving them helpful tips, and they don't have to listen. But your conditioning them, if you don't trade they way we do you can't be part of the community.

 

I was trying to make a joke and lighten things up around here. But oh I forgot some people take this stuff way too seriously. It's serious business. Seriously.

 

My god, just because they're things in the different direction doesn't mean they're the same! That's so fallacious I don't even think it has a name.

Just look above at someone who gave up more than he needed to get a beer. Obviously he didn't die of cancer or anything, but he regrets it now and wishes someone had told him. That's the thing, after being informed that someone could get more with their bottle, now they are making an informed choice as to whether to give it up or not. If someone wants to make an informed choice to ask for too little, then they're generally applauded on BA. People who aren't informed can't make optimal decisions for themselves, so there's a moral duty to inform them. And this is general, foundational stuff that people not on BA agree on. The world is better when everyone is making informed decisions that they won't come to regret later. Why do you disagree with that?

 

Its crazy what people think