What takes more skill?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Orca, Apr 7, 2012.

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  1. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    It occurred to me as I was sipping on my SN Kellerweis, which I accidently grabbed today instead of the SN Stout I'd intended to pick up, that for the most part American brewers seem to attempt more varied beer styles than brewers from most other countries. This could be a misconception, and I'm sure there are exceptions - but it seems to me that American brewers are more adventurous than their German, Belgian, and English counterparts and they're willing to try just about anything, even if it fails. Maybe it's part of our multicultural, mutt-like demographics; I don't know.

    If I want a really good hefeweizen or rauchbier, then I'll probably pick up a German beer. If I want a really good Belgian ale or saison, then I'll probably pick up something from a Belgian brewery. If I want a good English porter... well, you get the point. But if I want a wide variety of styles from one brewery, I'll probably pick an American brewery.

    What I'm trying to decide is, does it take more skill as a brewer to make a very narrow range of beers extremely well, or to make a much broader range of beers, even if many of them are only good or mediocre?

    Cheers!
     
  2. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2010 California

    I would rather be a master of one trade than a jack of many.
     
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  3. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    The good thing about Americans is that we'll aim for the biggest bounty possible in most things; beers included. The bad thing is that we'll miss 98% of the time. Still, I remain on the search for that 2%, as I have faith in my countrymen (and women) that every now and again we'll hit the bull's eye. What bugs me is when people ignore the bull's eye that other countries have set and/or embrace the new/experimental for the sake of newness. So, I'd say that to make a beer extremely well you need to take risks, but in taking extreme risks you're likely to fail 98% of the time.
     
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  4. Cr0wBait

    Cr0wBait Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2012 Florida

    Generally speaking, they know what works in their demographic. A lot of European countries have been making their styles of beer for far longer than the USA has even existed as a country. They have each become very, very good at what they do, so they do it. I imagine they have something similar to our craft beer scene overseas as well, for the consumers who want something a little different.
     
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  5. bum732

    bum732 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2008 Lesotho

    I also love Budweiser.
     
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  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    The answer to your question is, "Yes." But if you don't like that one the alternative answer is, "Well, it depends...."
     
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  7. poopinmybutt

    poopinmybutt Zealot (643) May 25, 2005 Nebraska

    as a new homebrewer this i also am kind of approaching that with this question

    trying to decide if i want to attempt to perfect and refine some of my favorite styles or if i should just go all over the map.
     
  8. Aml42000

    Aml42000 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Washington

    Narrow range for me and I think you might relate here in Washington. It seems like we get breweries with lots of passable/decent, but nothing simply amazing (obviously plenty of exceptions). I think I give a stronger nod to a brewer who makes something at the top of a class. Not Wa, but a PNW brewery that loves being jack of all trades, master of none is Rogue.
     
  9. cmac1705

    cmac1705 Zealot (517) Apr 30, 2010 Florida

    I appreciate brewers who limit their scope, know their limits, and try to perfect their flagships. There seems to be a recent tendency to embrace "experimental" brewers who only do one-offs. That's not to say I'm against experimentation, but only with restraint and with deference to maintaining a regular lineup of solid brews.
     
  10. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    I agree. Almost all of us on this board could make a good Ale. Very few of us could make a great Ale.
     
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  11. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2010 California

    Masters all weekend! I love an excuse to open good stuff for the best tourney of the year.
     
  12. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Brew what you like. Why would you brew styles you don't like just to know you can brew them. I have been a bit more all over the place, but that is because I really like a lot of different styles and am curious about brewing them, but there are a few styles I have brewed more often which I hope I have improved drastically from my first couple attempts. If you have 3 or 4 styles that you love more than anything else, brew a bunch of them and get really good at it. In a little while you'll have those on hand all the time which is awesome.

    @OP, it is harder to brew one style extraordinarily than it is to brew many styles well, but it is much harder to brew many styles extraordinarily than just one which is what I feel a handful of my favorite breweries have done.
     
  13. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    90% of brewing is technique and process. Most breweries rush this, and due to this they make par or subpar beer. They don't slow down to make happen right. It's not rocket science, but then again, they've got to sell. After that it's about recip,d yeast selection. Most styles the process of brewing is identical. Grain selection, hops, yeast etc...

    With the new rush to tap the craft brewing explosion, a lot of 'brewer's' are in it for the cash and the idea of making actually good beer is 2nd to money. Sad.
     
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  14. Mandark

    Mandark Zealot (587) Apr 8, 2008 Illinois

    The answer is: Weihenstephan.
    Then again, (as bum732 mentioned) there is also: Budweiser.
    Both make a narrow range of beer, but only one is world class. Both excel at consistency, which takes skill, but only one has made consistently flavorful and complex beers in a narrow range of style. Both are skillful but only one tastes really, really good.

    Aml42000 made an excellent point about Rogue being a "jack of all trades, master of none"---I'd rather drink Premium or Kristallweiss or Vitus all the time then take a chance on one of Rogue's usually mediocre brews, even if it's in a style that I like more than a lager or wheat beer.

    Then again, there are certain American breweries--Three Floyds, New Glarus, Founders, Sierra Nevada, Pretty Things, Bruery, all come to mind--that I will try anything by because they have impressed me more often than not and their explorations seem to come from a unified vision.

    So, to cut this short, drtth and herrburgess are correct in my limited estimation.
     
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  15. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    the american brewing scene is, still, undergoing a surge of growth of small, specialty brewers who for the most part don't worry much about, say, exporting their beer to another continent. i'm sure that among passionate small brewers/brewpubs all around the globe, when they're doing smaller batches that both won't bankrupt them if they're ill-received and will be consumed fresh (since local and low supply), there's a great diversity of style.

    there's also sort of culturally entrenched styles in various places, but the truth is that creativity is easier on a smaller scale. it's getting somewhat more large scale here just because we're seeing the growth of people who were once tiny-scale (who are also trendsetters / trailblazers for the growing market).
     
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  16. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    ehhh, i don't agree. it's sort of a cliche to say this, but i think the truth is: almost all of us could make a truly great ale, but few of us could make it twice, nor in any substantial volume to begin with.
     
  17. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Pure wisdom
     
  18. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Because it's a lot harder to make a perfect Neapolitan pizza than it is to "innovate" by creating BBQ chicken pizza, Hot wing sauce pizza, Hawaiian ham & pineapple pizza, or cheeseburger pizza with beef and American cheese. Pfffft that's like 5 innovations, and Neapolitan is just one. 5>1
     
  19. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    Ha! I make a taco w/5 Habaneros, half a bottle of Tabasco, add some Vienna Sausages and age the shell in a used Kentucky Deluxe barrel, and all the foodies just go crazy about it!
     
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  20. TheJollyHop

    TheJollyHop Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 California

    Doing something well by definition requires skill (whether innate or learned). Therefore making solid/world-class beers requires more skill than churning out a plethora of mediocre one-offs. With that being said, I am a fan of brewers that show restraint and know where their skills lie. For example Stillwater with their saisons.
     
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