Craft lager conundrum

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  1. 395er

    395er Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2011 California

    Since it's warming up I've been buying some lighter beers, New Belgium Shift and Ballast Point Longfin in cans. They're easy drinking, convenient, and you can toss back a few with the lower ABV. That said (he ducks flying bottles) those same characteristics don't make them terribly different to my semi-educated palate when pulled from an icy cooler than a can of Tecate. Except they're craft priced at $9.99 a sixer vs practically free for Tecate. Anyone else struggle with pricing on essentially craft versions of macro beers?
     
  2. spry

    spry Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Michigan

    Throwing flying bottles :slight_smile:
     
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  3. fullmetal1381

    fullmetal1381 Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Florida

    This self same reasoning is why I have until recently avoided lagers in favor of ales, with the notable exception of doppelbocks. To solve your conundrum, I would try lager styles that don't taste like Tecate, like the aforementioned doppelbocks, schwarzbiers, Vienna lagers, etc. That having been said, I am learning that there is nothing wrong with a refreshing Helles or a Pilsner every once in a while.
     
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  4. DmouthCaliBrewz

    DmouthCaliBrewz Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2013 New Hampshire
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    **Chuck**

    I guess in the grand scheme of things NB shift might be closer to Tecate than, say, Big Bad Baptist is to Guiness, however it still isn't a can of adjunct flavorless piss.......but all things must be judged relative to their style. By definition, shift pale LAGER is supposed to be crisp, smooth, and refreshing, however it is still a good beer for what it is, and relative to its style guidelines. Tecate still sucks despite these characteristics of the style, unless you are defining a good AAL as one that tastes like fizzy pee, then yes, it does that in spades.

    I think your issue has more to do with the fact that there is a larger chasm between a good lager and a shit macro lager, and a good craft ale vs a shit one purely based on the difference between what constitutes the style itself.

    That kind of doesn't make sense, but it makes sense in my head so thats all that matters. but you get what I'm saying....
     
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  5. Handle

    Handle Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2009 North Carolina

    Sorry, I notice a huge difference between most craft lagers and BMC.
     
  6. TTAmod

    TTAmod Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2008 Illinois

    What's great about (most) craft lagers is that they can deliver a huge punch of flavor without the huge ABV/drunkeness.

    However, I somewhat agree with the OP. It's hard justifying a $10 price tag for a 6 pack of 5% ABV beer when I can get a 6-pack of a 7-9% ABV beer for the same price. Most lagers are low ABV, with the exception of Doppelbocks and a few other styles, so it doesn't seem like I'm getting as good as a value with lagers as I do with ales.

    I know most of us CLAIM not to care about ABV/getting tipsy, but I guess I do care a little bit since it is a conundrum for me.
     
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  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I agree. A well-crafted Pilsner is enormously better than any BMC.
     
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  8. Handyandy58

    Handyandy58 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2011 California

    I find that most craft made lagers have a completeness of taste and a cleanness that are lacking in macros. In summer time, I'm particularly fond of NG Two Women and Dortmunder Gold, even though they're available year round. SN Summerfest and Anchor Steam are some other widely available lagers that just taste right to me during summer.
     
  9. 395er

    395er Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2011 California

    I think this question was somewhat of a realization I had last weekend while drinking quality yet very mild beers, when I typically drink IPA's, stouts and porters. I'm not saying the macros and craft stand up to one another, and I use Tecate as a catch all example. But I still think the differences between craft and macro at this end of the beer spectrum can get much more subtle. The difference between bigger styles - between say, a great and just good IPA is big to me - but I can justify the cost in those beers because of the economics of brewing.

    For low ABV options I do like Lagunitas Daytime IPA, Deschutes Twilight and don't mind paying for those. I will grab some of the limited Summerfest cans for sure. And if they're priced like the Pale cans, which frequently goes on special locally, there really won't be a contest with macros and my whole thread will be moot.
     
  10. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I think you will be pleasantly surprised with Summerfest on all accounts, including price/value. It's all-malt and really shows its hops, both in the aroma and bitterness. To me it's a far cry from industrial lagers, and hopefully you will feel the same way, too, but in any event I hope it's what you are looking for. Cheers!
     
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  11. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    If you want to drink them icy buy anything you want. The chill numbs up many of your taste buds so anything flavorful loses most of its flavors anyway. No point in paying for flavors and ingredients you won't get to taste. :-)
     
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  12. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    Another person disillusioned by ABV. Me, I appreciate deftly crafted lowers ABV brew as much as I do larger one, but to expect prices to be aligned with your preferences is just absurd.
     
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  13. Herky21

    Herky21 Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2011 Iowa

    Go buy some Tecate.
     
  14. dar482

    dar482 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,063) Mar 9, 2007 New York
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    Sigh, more lager ignorance...
     
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  15. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I am hard pressed to believe that Sierra Nevada Summerfest, Sam Noble Pils, Sixpoint Crisp and Brooklyn Lager taste like Tecate.
     
  16. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I see what you're getting at and agree that taste is numbed by colder temps. However, it's not completely numbed. A 33 degree Sam Noble Pils and a 33 degree Tecate aren't going to taste the same.
     
  17. Synergy87

    Synergy87 Zealot (537) Jan 21, 2012 Wisconsin

    NG Totally Naked or Edel-Pils for the win!
     
  18. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    The economics favor ales, lagering is a time-consuming and especially a space-consuming process.
     
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  19. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Someone get that person a jelly doughnut Jack's Abby...stat!
     
  20. TheViperMan

    TheViperMan Initiate (0) Apr 24, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I got to try a Summerfest at a Sierra Nevada tasting just last week for PCBW - was a VERY nice pale, and possibly my favorite "Summer"-titled beer yet.
     
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