Talk me off the ledge

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  1. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'm fermenting a saison using the Wyeast 3711 strand. I was going along beautifully around 70 degrees. I have the fermwrap on and controller set at 70. Its 5 days into fermentation. I just went to check on it when I noticed the controller was reading 64?!. I look and see that the probe was knocked off the fermenter by the f@#cking cat. I just re-attached and it is now sitting at 84!!! The fermwrap kept on heating and never shut off.

    I'm freaking out that I just lost this beer. Do I need to cool it down quickly? Any chance of saving it? What's this thing going to taste like?
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

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  3. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    Lucky for you this saison strain can handle higher temps. I think you'll be fine. You may have some fusels depending on when the cat messed it up.
     
  4. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'm worried about the fusels. We were trying to keep the esters low too out of preference but I can kiss that goodbye. Maybe it will be a good accident but I'm not holding hope. I'm also hoping that happening 5 days in for half a day won't impact it too much. It was good this morning. Should I throw in my fridge to get back down to my desired range or is the "damage" done?
     
  5. kbuzz

    kbuzz Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina

    Chances are if it started around 70 and the majority of the cell activity occurred at that temp...then a day or two later slowly raised up to the 84, I think you're okay.

    As others have alluded to above...for Saisons, there are actually some fermenting techniques that advocate started at about 70 and letting the beer warm naturally to ambient temps anyway.

    EDIT: just saw post above...this happened 5 days in? I think you're just fine.
     
  6. mborden

    mborden Zealot (653) Jan 28, 2009 New York

    Hey wow! I actually just served a keg of that very HBT Cottage House Saison at a party and it went over like gangbusters. We had an unseasonably warm couple of days early in my fermentation period and while it didn't get up to 84, I think it got up to like 78-79 at day 3 or 4? Anyway, I agree that the 3711 was really forgiving and the beer came out great. Granted, I also had it on the cake for about 4 weeks total and kegged for 2 before I served it, but I agree that you should be fine.
     
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  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I do not recommend "crashing" the temp of your brew. You know the result of higher ferm temps is increased fusel alcohols and esters. Most of this occurs in the first 72 hours, so if the runaway temp just happened today you might have dodged a bullet. But you can reduce diacetyl with a rest after fermentation is complete. The most effective way to do this reduction is to increase your ferm temp about 5 degrees. You do not want the ferm temp to drop at the end of fermentation, this will slow or stop the diacetyl reduction.

    Ideally you want to do this rest when your fermentation is complete, I suspect you have a little ways to go. So I recommend dropping the temp slowly back to your 70 range . . . the most important thing you can do is keep the yeast in the ball game. Then when you reach terminal gravity, give it a 5 degree boost like nothing ever happened.

    If all else fails: http://www.ooze.com/ooze13/cats.html
     
  8. nsheehan

    nsheehan Savant (1,206) Jul 3, 2011 Texas
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    I am not a homebrewer, but shouldn't your beer be better protected from a cat? They can be rife with bacteria.
    Maybe I'm not visualizing this correctly.
     
  9. mattsander

    mattsander Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2010 Canada (AB)

    You're probably fine, this is a very forgiving strain. Taste it!

    I like to use insulating foam tape on my temp probe, not even my burly cat could knock it off with that adhesive.
     
  10. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Step one: Relax, don't worry, have a homebrew.

    Step two: Drown cat.
     
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  11. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    It's not a stretch. I have a cat and have never once thought it would walk by and mess with my brew.
     
  12. kbuzz

    kbuzz Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina

    assuming appropriate vessel was used, it would take a goddamn MacGyver of a cat to truly do any damage to a fermenting beer.
     
  13. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    If the temp jumped up after day 2-3 with that strain you should be fine as ester production is formed early in the fermentation as are fusels. I would not cool it since, if by the odd chance that 3711 isn't already done, you could stop the yeast early and then think it is done, bottle, and the added sugar wakes them up only to blow through all the remaining sugar and blow through the walls of the bottles as well.
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think you're trying to say start at 70 and let the wort temp rise naturally due to the heat generated by fermentation, right? If so, that's a reasonable approach for saison yeasts. ('Ambient' would be the air temperature in the space where the fermenter is placed.)
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think he's probably fine too, but would say it a little differently. Fusels are produced early on, with Esters (which are largely a product of the conversion of Fusels and other alcohols) following after. So the 'stage' for Ester production is certainly set early on.
     
  16. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    I ferment my saisons in my garage when it gets in the low 80s. I dont let it get too hot, but up to 85 works good.
     
  17. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    So I'll get off the ledge now. I will let it go back down to 70 to finish fermenting. Then raise it up by 5 degrees? As for the cat, it actually could be one of the 2-12 week old kittens. They are tearing the joint up. The probe was duct taped but they must have worked at it. My love for animals is dwindling.
     
  18. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    The bigger problem is that 5 days into fermentation, the beer should have reached final attenuation. As far as temp though, it is fine. You'll probably get some extra peppery flavor from 3711 fermenting high.
     
  19. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Also, don't drop the temperature more than 5 degrees in 12 hours. You will shock your yeast.
     
  20. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota


    Nice! I'm actually brewing a very slightly modified version of it this Sat.
     
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