Bartenders criticizing beer choices

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by musicman7070, Jun 28, 2013.

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  1. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey

    I was just at Firewaters in Atlantic City tonight with my brother and two friends (I've never been there before). We all order our drinks, and my brother (who has tried some of my craft beer and liked most of it) looks at Lindemans Framboise Lambic and asks for that beer. The bartender, who was starting to complain about how busy it was in the bar, says to my brother "Oh you don't want that type of beer. That's a girly drink. It comes in a "frilly glass"". I bit my tongue so hard not wanting to flip out at this lady for saying that. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of lambics but I can respect the quality of any craft beer no matter what style. This really irritated me. That incident and along with her ignoring me when I wanted a second drink was the final straw.

    So, my question to all of you is, has anyone ever had a bartender criticize your beer choice that you made? To me, that's so incredibly disrespectful for an employee to do that to a customer. Never will I go back to this place again.
     
  2. KS1297

    KS1297 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    did you let her know how you felt about it?
     
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  3. BierStein711

    BierStein711 Initiate (0) Oct 12, 2011 Illinois

    That's quite a situation. I've never had an encounter with a bartender like that. I'm fine with advice, but generally I come here for that.
     
  4. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey


    No I didn't. :slight_frown: I definitely should have spoke up about it.
     
  5. mverity

    mverity Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2012 Florida

    It happens all the time to me. I let it roll like water to a duck's back. I want to drink what I want to drink; I could care less what that bartender thinks of my choice of beer. Dragon fruit Passion fruit Berliner? I think I'll drink a dozen!
     
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  6. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    There's your mistake
     
  7. VladTepes

    VladTepes Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2012 Finland

    I think very much opposite. It is really nice from bartender, if he/she tell, that you won't probably like the beer, when bartender thinks so. Good service. +Lindemans Framboise is awful and so sugary, mayde the bartender save him from diabetes!
     
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  8. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey


    Yeah, I read mostly "less than satisfactory" reviews about it on here and figured it wouldn't be as bad as what some people said about it. Boy was I wrong.
     
  9. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey


    I can see what you mean, but the way she said it was so criticizing. I just feel she could have definitely come off a lot nicer about it.
     
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  10. Biffster

    Biffster Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2004 Michigan

    First, I'll start with the disclaimer that, although I love Lambics and sours, I am no great fan of Lindemanns Framboise. But hey, if your brother loves it, cheers...

    With that out of the way, she clearly deserved the tip I hope you didn't give. A good server will guide you toward what you will like with samples and encouragement, and steer you away from things you might not by fishing with left handed compliments ("some people really like it", or "it's really fruity", or such like), or asking questions and offering alternative suggestions. My other favorite is when you order something out of the mainstream, good servers will ask if you want a taste, or a small one, and make you ask for the big one. It's in everyone's best interest. If you don't like it, you will nurse it and they won't sell you as much.

    Which leads us to the most egregious infraction - ignoring an empty glass. Overall, America has it going on over Europe in that regard. I have NEVER, in all of my travels in Europe, been asked if I wanted another beer, if my glass had not been empty for over five minutes. Here, we get the ask within a minute of draining it, or (ideally) when we are flirting with the last half inch. There is probably a philosophical discussion in there somewhere about the tipping culture and entrepreneurship - tipping is severely limited in Europe for the most part. So your terrible server will have to go home with her $2.55 ish per hour and whatever meager tips she garnered from her poor service, and decide to move on to whatever it is she IS good at.

    The moral of the story - At a restaurant, you may have to tip servers regardless and change the tip for good or bad service. A bartender? If they cant even go through the motions? Send them a clear message...
     
  11. KS1297

    KS1297 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    yeah, it's nice to let them know how you feel so they can get a chance to persuade you to remain a customer but I usually just get pissed and keep it to myself while they probably have no idea what they did wrong. It's like I have to remind myself that making legitimate complaints is actually doing them a favor.
     
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  12. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey


    Referring to your bold statement, that's a really good piece of advice to keep in mind. Being critical should (in theory) help them improve. I will definitely speak up about something like this if it ever happens again, knowing what I'm saying will help them become a better bartender. Thanks for the advice!
     
  13. KS1297

    KS1297 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    If she's as clueless as she seems, she won't get the message. Her boyfriend is probably watching tv right now trying to tune out her griping about another night of cheapskate customers that never tip.
     
  14. WhiteJordan

    WhiteJordan Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2012 Washington

    I only offer insight when I am asked for advice. If I don't like the beer you chose it's better for me to sell it. Chances are no one else likes it. I will however warn someone if they're ordering certain types of beer. (chili beer, sours, experimental stuff etc..)
     
  15. Kirk

    Kirk Initiate (0) May 16, 2005 England

    Nine times out of ten bartenders are hire for looks and not much more! I wouldn't worry about it cause there beer knowledge clearly isn't there!
     
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  16. xShoWTeKx

    xShoWTeKx Pundit (994) Jan 21, 2013 South Carolina
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    Last night I had a woman criticize my choice of Sweetwater IPA over Bass IPA, (they didn't have much) she just could not understand how I could turn down the Bass and just kept on and on.
     
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  17. VladTepes

    VladTepes Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2012 Finland

    Ah okey, you are certainly right. It is possible to say in many ways!
     
  18. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I don't know where you went in Europe but it's pretty normal here to be asked if you would like another one if your glass is empty.And they are not touting for tips because they don't either get or expect one.It's what's known as making the customer welcome.
     
  19. VladTepes

    VladTepes Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2012 Finland

    They just du their job well.
     
  20. ohiobeer29

    ohiobeer29 Pooh-Bah (1,675) Feb 2, 2013 Ohio
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    really the first question here should be did u guys tip her at least a dollar each for your beers?
     
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