BCBS 09 Bombers

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  1. pushkinwow

    pushkinwow Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 Canada (ON)

    Have seen a lot of trade requests for this recently (both including it and asking for it); just curious if anyone else had noticed and had an idea on why this particular vintage and why bombers?

    I've opened a couple in the last few months and although they are tasty I didn't notice any huge variation from other batches with similar amounts of time.
     
  2. Brez07

    Brez07 Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2009 Maine

    It's unique - only time they ever bottled the regular in bombers

    I remember back when it first came out... that shit was everywhere. If only I held on to a few
     
  3. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    To add to what Brez07 said, general consensus seems to be that the '09 is the best drinking vintage at the moment. There are lots of reports of '07 and even some '08 starting to fall off, and the '10 is too recent (plus '10 seems to be considered the most subpar vintage of all).

    So, stir in the rarity of the bomber, the mythical/unproveable concept of a larger format bottle being better for aging, and the fact that this is the best BCBS bottle you may get for at least 2 more years...

    BCBS with a few years is about as good as a BA stout gets, so people probably should be going after '09 bottles right now over most of the hot release insta-whales out there today.
     
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  4. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    There are lots of things people should be chasing rather than the flavor of the month. Thank fucking god that they don't know any better, makes things way better for the rest of us.
     
  5. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    I had an 09 Bomber around Christmas time and it was fantastic, I just traded a 4 pack of Heady for another with a friend.
     
  6. atoulouk

    atoulouk Pundit (873) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana

    I agree w/ you Julian. '09 was a little disappointing after hearing about how great it was. I think '12 has been great from the start.
     
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  7. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts


    I think the majority will agree that '12 was by far the best vintage when fresh. To be honest, it's the first time I've ever felt BCBS was really even worth drinking fresh... I don't think it's as good as a well-aged bottle, but it's quite tasty.

    Another thing to take into consideration though is the variability of aging. Storage conditions in particular become very important when dealing with a 4 year old beer. A beer might tolerate a 70 degree closet for a year, but it probably won't for 4. And even when stored perfectly, it's never a guarantee.
     
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  8. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I'm actually becoming less convinced of this. There's just so little data out there... Though you're right that there's no guarantee in anything.
     
  9. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    So why aren't people trading for the '09 12oz bottles? Were the bombers in pappy -bals?
     
  10. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Pappy bombers, bro.
     
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  11. atoulouk

    atoulouk Pundit (873) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana

    I traded an '09 12oz for a Mexican Cake (regular) straight up. Thought it was fair.
     
  12. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    So a bomber would land two Mexycakes?
     
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  13. atoulouk

    atoulouk Pundit (873) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana

    Yes it would, but for some reason I don't think FT: Mexi Cake x 2; ISO: '09 BCBS bomber would happen.
     
  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I really like the 12 fresh, I liked 11 fresh too, this is a big beer and aged too long IMO doesn't help it. But I like it a little rough, unruly and over the the top, just like I like my Bourbon.
     
  15. Siggy125

    Siggy125 Maven (1,318) Nov 10, 2006 California
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    I opened an 09 bomber a few weeks back. And while I think the flavor was very good, the lack of carbonation almost ruined the experience. I have one left and thinking it needs to be opened soon.
     
  16. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Pundit (814) Feb 9, 2009 Canada (MB)
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    I've said this before, but will repeat it here- there is some serious batch variation with BCBS. For '12 it's easy as the dates are on the bottles. For '09 it's a bit harder, there are at least two camps, first being "OMG VANILLA NEED MOAR!!!1!" and the second being "Hmm...a bit boozy, but not bad. Middle of the pack BCBS". I've opened a bunch of '09 bombers and about 2/3rd's thankfully fall into the first camp. I'm assuming there are multiple bottlings/batches, but I guess it could just be how the bottles were stored (however, what I've seen with '12 batches contradicts this).
     
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  17. DougOLis

    DougOLis Initiate (0) Aug 15, 2008 California


    Larger formats typically age better and more evenly for both wine and beer
     
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  18. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Not me, thought '11 was the best drinking out of the gate, but never had '07.
     
  19. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    From my experience the 12oz bottles age just fine. How many bombers are being properly aged in the first place?

    Also, beer is not wine and probably shouldn't be treated so similarly to it.
     
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  20. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Do you have a source for this? I've tried in vain to find corroborating evidence for these things (even going so far as to e-mail a beer chemist to see if he knew about it) and I can't find anything. The idea that the surface area ratio makes a difference just doesn't really make sense, as that may change the rate of oxidation but it won't change the total amount, and it's been shown that not all stalling comes from elemental oxygen anyway, so that would only be a part of the aging process (how big a part would depend on a lot of things, but even if you knew the ppm O2 in your headspace I still don't think you'd be able to say how much that would affect the stalling process because there are too many other variables).
     
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