Imperial Reds (Not Nugget Nectar!)

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  1. BKBassist

    BKBassist Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2013 New York

    I love Nugget Nectar, but it's an IPA in my book.

    Discussing the true imperial reds here. I'm a huge fan of Speakeasy Betrayal and just had Blue Point's Croxley's 20th Anniversary Imperial Red. I think Blue Point is generally solid but forgettable, but this was a winner in my book. Any other suggestions for the style (preferably available in NYC) or thoughts on what it means? To me it's a solid blend of tropical flavors, lending towards the orange zest side, a pronounced bitterness, all blended together with a strong malt backbone.

    Imperial Reds - Go!
     
  2. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Have you tried Nugget Nectar? I hear it's fantastic!
     
  3. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Off the Rails, it's Karl Strauss Imperial Red Trolly, I love the regular version but don't care for this one. Not available to you, but at least it will get the conversation started.
     
  4. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Lagunitas Imperial Red is probably my favorite Imperial Red ever. It's a limited release, but it should come around to NYC when it does come out.

    EDIT: GAH! I just checked Lagunitas' site and it's not even on the release schedule... did this beer get bumped off while I wasn't looking?
     
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  5. OopSour

    OopSour Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2013 California

    Marble Brewing Imperial Red is fantastic.
     
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  6. incapacitant

    incapacitant Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 New York

    Come on now....G'Knight!
     
  7. bayareahustla

    bayareahustla Zealot (656) Jul 13, 2012 California
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    yes
     
  8. BKBassist

    BKBassist Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2013 New York

    Yes, big fan of G'Knight!

    I'd like to hear from the brewing community however as to what the style really comprises. Are we dealing with similar bills to a barleywine but with a smaller OG? A malted up IPA? What really differentiates the style on a technical level?
     
  9. CoachC

    CoachC Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2012 Florida

    Green Flash Hop Head Red and Stone Levitation Ale
     
  10. Jake1605

    Jake1605 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2009 Missouri

    Right, the malts have nothing to do with it. If it's hoppy, it's gotta be an ipa, right?

    Moving forward--I think that O'Dell & Green Flash make good ones. I remember liking the SN Beer Camp imp red.
     
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  11. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    they made it in 08 and then a bit last year as well. Was talking to the local Lagunitas rep the other day and she said they have plans to bring it back again, but didnt give any sort of time frame. But while you wait there is always Lucky 13.
     
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  12. Rainblows

    Rainblows Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2013 Illinois

    Pipeworks blood of the unicorn & I believe the recent Sam vs Unicorn by them as well. Both delicious! I really like imperial reds and think Blood of the unicorn is one of pipeworks more underrated brews.
     
  13. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    Isn't levitation like 4% abv or something?
     
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  14. CapeFear

    CapeFear Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2007 North Carolina

    I second G'knight!
     
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  15. Rainblows

    Rainblows Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2013 Illinois

    It's in the types of malts used, and volumes.

    In a red ale you use a recipe close to that of a pale but use some red malt, that's what gives it a redder hue. An imperial red has more malts to create more sugars (to up that abv) and thus more red malts are used. You're also using more hops as balance to keep up bitterness for imperials. But hops don't really alter hue or abv.

    A regular pale ale or IPA uses pale malts, mostly 2 row or marris otter. An IPA needs about twice the amount of grains as a pale ale. A barleywine is like 4x the amount of malt and hops you need to brew a regular 5-6% pale ale. But a similar malt bill. You'd use slightly different malt bills to brew a stout etc.

    I'm a newer brewer and that's pretty stripped down but hope that answers your question!
     
  16. Rainblows

    Rainblows Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2013 Illinois

    And not to post a billion times on your thread, but NN is actually an imperial Amber ale, with pilsner, Munich, and crystal malts as a base and nugget hops used to bitter.
    I feel like imperial amber ales are more scarce than reds especially as well balanced as nugget nectar. Can't think of any offhand!
     
  17. rightcoast7

    rightcoast7 Maven (1,330) Apr 2, 2011 Maine
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    Not sure exactly how we're defining "imperial," but the best red I've had is CCB Tocobaga. Excellent stuff.
     
  18. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Long Trail's Centennial Red is really good (February Thru April.) Not as hoppy as the others, but still a damn solid beer.
     
  19. AdamF625

    AdamF625 Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2010 Massachusetts

    Trinity Brewing- Redrum
    Awesome beer but unfortunately it is tap only.
     
  20. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The best red ale in my book is Tocabaga. Everything else is a step down.
     
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