Backing Out..

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by alysmith4, Jul 23, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Pooh-Bah (1,738) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia
    Pooh-Bah

    Not of Natalie Portman, but of a trade. How does one do it? And politely?
     
    ColdOne, evilcatfish and Fireslayer like this.
  2. shadowane

    shadowane Zealot (631) Sep 7, 2007 Pennsylvania

    It depends on what occurred during negotiations. If the trade forced the other person to go out and buy like $50 worth of beer, then it's pretty shitty. If it's beers the person already had on hand and you haven't had many communications, just let them know you'd like to back out.

    Maybe that's too simple?
     
  3. tinypyramids

    tinypyramids Pundit (897) Jul 19, 2012 Illinois

    i generally consider a trade locked when addresses are exchanged, and i don't go out and buy beer for that particular trade until that happens. for IP trades it's once a meeting time and place are exchanged, albeit sometimes things just happen and the locale needs to get shifted.

    backing out after an exchange of addresses without a really good reason will land you on my no trade list, doubly so if i specially purchase beer for it before you back out. luckily, neither has happened for me yet.
     
    nc41, evilcatfish, merc7186 and 6 others like this.
  4. youbrewidrink

    youbrewidrink Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2009 Vermont

    Why are you doing it?

    If you just changed your mind, tell the OP just that. Abe Lincoln got it right "honest is the best policy".

    If you got a better offer, dick move.

    No matter what, communicate it timely and be considerate of the OP since they will feel jerked around.
     
    MarkF150, Hopsiam14, Rutager and 3 others like this.
  5. M1A2

    M1A2 Pundit (928) Jan 15, 2012 Ohio
    Trader

    ^^^this^^^
     
  6. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    1. Wait until they ship.
    2. Send message saying "Shit came up"
    3. Wait for them to get upset.
    4. Tell them it must be nice to never have bad stuff happen in their lives.
    5. Tell them you would have made it right, but they acted like an insensitive ass.
    It's a proven formula for success.
     
  7. goodbetterbestbested

    goodbetterbestbested Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 California

    make a thread on the beer trading general forum and hope they see it and take a hint
     
    Skrypt, hey5hitgoose, Duff27 and 26 others like this.
  8. lookrider

    lookrider Savant (1,208) Apr 22, 2007 Pennsylvania
    Trader

    As for me, I'm alright with a potential trade partner backing out any time up until I've either bought beer especially for the trade or packed up the box. He may decide he's got too much going on or has been spending too much on trading or even that he no longer likes the parameters of this particular trade - that's his prerogative. If they're just honest about it then to me it's no big deal and just part of trading - no hard feelings and good luck.
     
    alysmith4 and tacosandbeer like this.
  9. TheGoof

    TheGoof Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Michigan

    Just don't say something like "Hey man, about that trade we had lined up and exchanged addresses for... Well, I didn't have that bottle in my possession yet, and when I got my box with two of them in it yesterday, one was broke. I am keeping the other for myself, so now I don't have one to trade. Good day." Had this happen to me last month. Ugh.
     
    alysmith4 likes this.
  10. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,096) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    For me, addresses being exchanged and a confirmation message that is agreed to (My X for your Y) is the point of no return.
     
  11. pjl44

    pjl44 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2008 Massachusetts


    I think if you want the best advice, we need more details. Safe to assume you feel compelled to back out? Why?
     
  12. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    are you backing out of a trade or stepping out of the conversation/negotiation? As soon as a list of bottles are agreed to and addresses are given, I think you should complete the trade...HOWEVER, I do understand that there can be other factors, which is why more info is needed before I think you can get opinions from the peanut gallery
     
    alysmith4 likes this.
  13. ant880

    ant880 Savant (1,179) Nov 7, 2010 New York
    Trader

    I respectfully disagree...as a member of said peanut gallery I can tell you that we need little to no actual information to present an opinion :wink:
     
  14. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    I was about to respond saying "so we can give a meaningful opinion", but then i realized that is never true either...
     
  15. Jparkanzky

    Jparkanzky Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio

    Backing out after addresses have been exchanged seems to be considered, by the vast majority here, to be a bad thing to do, and I agree.

    With that said, it's better to back out after addresses exchanged/bottles agreed upon, etc.... than to not back out if you either know you can't hold up your end of the deal, or you don't know how you're going to obtain the bottles needed to hold up your end of the deal, etc...

    If you back out after everything is agreed upon, with a good reason for doing so, it sucks, but it's something that can be understood by the other party if circumstances changed to where you couldn't send what you agreed to send.

    I'm sure that person probably won't want to trade with you again in the future, but on the flip side, they also won't be starting a "Bad Trader" thread about how you didn't send what was agreed upon etc. either.
     
  16. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Pooh-Bah (1,738) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia
    Pooh-Bah


    Well, I already backed out, but was curious if I handled it properly and/or what the "karma" is of doing so.

    We had negotiated a bit, but I wasn't feeling like it was fair. So I offered to "split the difference" and meet him halfway. He stood firm in his offer, and said that I was off on price. I told him I didn't realize that, and agreed to the trade.

    After thinking about it, and calling the brewery he was picking up from to verify price (I was correct, he was not), I messaged him to say I was "just going to pass on this trade." I then posted a new trade in the ISO/FT, for which he called me out on - saying it was a dick move, etc. I then replied telling him that I was trying to be polite initially, but if he really must know - I think he's a douche (essentially). No beers were purchased, and no addresses exchanged.
     
  17. TheGoof

    TheGoof Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Michigan


    You're fine, did nothing wrong IMO, from that account of what happened.
     
    Jwale73 and alysmith4 like this.
  18. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    So he lied about the price of the beers on his end to try to get you to put more into the trade? Sounds like backing out was the ideal thing to do in that situation.
     
  19. pjl44

    pjl44 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2008 Massachusetts


    If all of that is accurate, I'd say you're justified in backing out. Hopefully you indicated why to him as I think it's important that someone purposely misrepresenting the cost of their bottles knows when they've been found out.
     
    alysmith4 likes this.
  20. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    That guys must really be an ass trying to overcharge a hefty amount that "splitting the difference" isn't some negligible amount. What beer (sure I could look up your history) and prices are we talking about?
     
    alysmith4 likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.