Backing Out..

oh I know, but I am saying why people would want the name given. It is probably something best done over BM. People are tired of dancing around potential bad traders and others who are out to just win every trade. Again, while someone trying to "win" a trade is not a bad trader, they are one to avoid.

Though, now that I am thinking about it; if a person is delibertly lying about the cost (and a substantial amount from what it sounds like. OP?) aren't they essentially cheating you out of beer. Doesn't that kind of make them a bad trader?

 

They are someone I wouldn't want to trade with, but not necessarily a bad trader. It is up to me to be informed on the beers being traded to know if it is fair. When I first started to trade, I didn't do my homework and made an offer that was wayyy short on my end. I wouldn't want that person to report me as a bad trader. He informed me of my error and now I make fair trades and always try to crush the other person with quality extras

 

The opposite happened to me in my first trade. I made an offer that was close to $4$, but the stuff I was giving up was much more rare than the stuff he was giving up. The guy I traded with though told me that $4$ wasn't right in this situation and sent me a boat load of amazing extras. Part of how I got hooked on trading so quickly once I signed up here.

 

amen

 

I'm less concerned about the fairness vs the lying.

If the other person clearly stated something like "I'm trading Bottle X at $30 because that is what I value it at", then they are entitled to do so, because it's their beer. I don't condone it, and I may not trade with the person, but I wouldn't be too upset about it.

If, on the other hand, they said something like "I'm picking up Bottle X for you, it costs $30 at the brewery." And you argue against it and say "Oh I thought it only cost $20, are you sure?" And they insist on the $30, then you call the brewery and find out it really is only $20... that's just flat out lying to take advantage of somebody else. This isn't a case of "oh I can't remember if I paid $10 or $12, it was months ago". Or it's not like they just added in a buck for tax...

So, I'm not sure the lying scenario really is any different than what bad traders do. If nothing else, it's a great leading indicator that you're dealing with a deceitful person. If a person is going to try to screw you out of $10 of beer like that, and they do it to 10 people, isn't that a collective net harm greater than one stolen $50 box of beer?

Now, I tend to agree with not outing this person because it is possible they were mistaken. And of course we only got one side of the story here. But it certainly doesn't sound good.

 

You're right in not wanting to trade with that person. I wouldn't want to trade with them either. But I believe it would be wrong for someone to out them as a bad trader. Every trader has to take some precautions. We could have a bunch of jerks reporting every person that they feel got the better of them in a trade.

 

I'll start by saying that its the OP's call whether to out the guy or not, and I respect that choice.

That being said, to me, getting the better of someone in a trade or not knowing the value of your own beer and trading it away too low are nowhere near being the same as what happened here.

Trading involves a certain amount of trust, and when I tell you that a bottle cost $17, thats exactly what it cost. I don't round up, or add a buck or two to cover my costs, and I certainly wouldn't lie and say it cost me X when I know it actually cost me Y. Some bottles would be impossible to price, especially here in TX, where breweries don't sell bottles, stores do, and prices can vary, so my trade partners need to be able to trust what I tell them.

Maybe the guy just made a mistake and got the price wrong, but if not, he's a dishonest trader, and not someone I'd want to deal with.

 

To me, a $10 difference is $4$. But, I would have called it off if he was being deceitful rather than mistaken.

 

Generally, yes. I would say the vast majority of traders don't worry within 10-20% of the overall trade value. $5-$10 on a $50 box is the difference of one extra, and extras always throw $4$ out of whack. To be honest, I find $ value doesn't even come up all that often. It's usually just when one side is obviously off. (Like, here's my $30 bottle for your $12) Or maybe a huge trade where a dozen bottles on each side are at play. Otherwise, I often have no idea what the beers I'm trading for cost, and I'm sure my trading partners often have no idea what my beers cost.

I just figure I'm up a few bucks here, down a few bucks there, and everything evens out over the long run. That said, if I felt somebody was playing monkey games with me, I wouldn't bother regardless of the amount at stake.

 

I like this post even more because you used "monkey games"!

 

do this.

 

If you're that desperate to ship people boxes ill BM you my address. I'll even make up a tragic story about not getting to bang Natalie Portman if it makes you feel better.

 

Was the $10 versus $12 price discrepancy due to a brewery price versus a retail liquor store price?

 

Too busy to read through two pages of posts? He answers this exact question if you read the thread.

 

Heh, sorry. Regardless, they should read the thread before asking an obvious question.

 

Yes, some of us have jobs

 

And that somehow entitles you to waste everyone else's time?