Quick Note To All New Traders to BA

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by nc41, Aug 7, 2013.

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  1. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    If your new to BA, with little or no posts, and no trade history every person here will ask you to ship first, it's most certainly not just a me thing.. Nothing personal here.
     
  2. mlefevre

    mlefevre Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2012 Michigan

    wait someone was not willing to follow that simple rule for newer traders ?? and they actually thought you were crazy for asking ? lol priceless
     
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  3. RedBeeron

    RedBeeron Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2012 California

    FFS just out the guy already.


    Wait wut?
     
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  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Actually two, working things out mentioned being new they ship first and offered references. Completely dark after that. Maybe they just cruise the ISO/FT site, and thought it might be useful to put such a thing here in case they stumble into it. Everybody will ask this, you ship 1st.
     
  5. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Why is this such a complicated concept? Boggles the mind. You'd think people would inherently understand that nobody knows them from a hole in the wall and they need to prove they're not scammers.
     
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  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I've traded with new guys and they turned out to be great traders, johnny29er this week, Good guy good trader, but he didn't complain about shipping first. I get suspicious when you mention that offer your references and they're gone.
     
  7. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Trust me, having noobs not want to ship first is the easiest method of identifying folks with whom you are better not to trade.
     
  8. yeahnatenelson

    yeahnatenelson Pooh-Bah (1,952) Feb 8, 2010 Illinois
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    I would go so far as to say that it would be reasonable to ask for the other party to ship first if they reference <5 trades, depending on how long they've been on BA and what they've contributed. With the way a lot of these new guys operate, 3-4 trades could possibly mean that they've been at this for only a week.
     
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  9. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    A perfect example of this is my recent trade with Johnny_Beerdrinker. He was only on BA for about a month and had no trade references. I asked if he would mind shipping first and he said no problem. Turns out he sent me some of the best quality extras I've received! And yes, this doubles as a shameless promotion of Johnny_Beerdrinker :wink: Definitely a badass trader from my experience!

    So new guys, don't take it personally, but rather as an opportunity to make a great name for yourself!
     
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  10. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts


    Completely agreed. To me it's a function of number of trades and time/activity on site. Even if you've done 5 trades but only joined 3 months ago and don't post much in the forums or do reviews, you're still a prime candidate for flaking out. Many bad traders were good right up until they got bored of the hobby and then moved on to something else mid-trade.

    We've also seen a couple of scammers who build up 5-10 solid trades with good history, then line up a bunch of trades at once with the full intention of running away. A guy did this in a BIF I ran.

    You really can't be too cautious until a user has been around for a while.
     
  11. EvilAsh

    EvilAsh Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Seems reasonable to me. I've only done 3 trades on here, so I would have no problem at all sending first (and have done so)
     
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  12. tronto

    tronto Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2010 Kentucky

    I've been on here since 2010 but recently got into trading... I don't even mind sending first if they have many more trades and references but a later start date. Seems fair, but if they are later date and hardly any references, there's no question they should ship first.
    It is kinda sketchy when you tell someone they have to ship first and suddenly they're silent.
     
  13. mocktm

    mocktm Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Virginia

    This is absolutely a wise tactic. I've had a few new traders agree to ship first and then go completely radio silent the day they were supposedly going to ship. Never heard from any of them ever again...
     
  14. HopHead84

    HopHead84 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,268) Nov 29, 2006 California
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    Less than 25 trades = ship first
    Under a year on the forum no matter how many trades = ship first
     
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  15. Bluecane

    Bluecane Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2011 New York

    You slept on my couch without checking my references.

    Then again, I let you sleep on my couch without checking yours :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  16. phishbfm

    phishbfm Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2010 North Carolina

    Shipping first is a great opportunity. Murder their porch and they'll feel inclined to do the same..
     
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  17. Bluecane

    Bluecane Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2011 New York

    Thisssssss. I especially want to crush the porch of a new trader because it pays dividends down the line for myself + the community. I did it for Benny3000 -- I have no idea if he's a good trader, but he's definitely funny as fuck, so that worked out just fine.
     
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  18. thestupidpunk

    thestupidpunk Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2013 New York

    I'm relatively new here and have done a couple of trades since I've joined. I think it's totally reasonable to ship first, which I've done both times.

    The only thing I wish I knew when shipping my first trade was the amount of extras. I've heard from a friend that it's common practice and inserted a bottle of a local brew in my box during my first trade. But the guy was far more generous than me, which made me feel that I didn't do enough on my part at the time.
     
  19. Beeryurt

    Beeryurt Zealot (617) Mar 8, 2013 Wisconsin
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    Only done 2 trades so far with my 3rd one going out monday, both times I offered to ship first but the guys sent out at the same time anyway, first order is I make sure to get them a tracking number so maybe that helps. Downside was one of them really gave me some great extras and I felt bad I only sent two 12 oz extras.
     
  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    For everyday locals I don't think it's a big deal, but for special releases and harder to get brews that would be different.
     
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