Aged IPA?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by balto22, Aug 8, 2013.

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  1. balto22

    balto22 Crusader (414) Feb 7, 2013 New York
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    I was at a bar the other night for National IPA day (August 1st), and the brewery in question had several tasty imperial IPAs, but then they had a triple from Two Beers advertised as vintage 2012. Is there any reason that this would improve on the flavor of the beer? It has always been my understanding--especially for triples--that freshness is of the utmost importance. I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.
     
  2. KS1297

    KS1297 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    I kinda like how age brings out the maltiness. some old IPAs are just gross though
     
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  3. balto22

    balto22 Crusader (414) Feb 7, 2013 New York
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    By bringing out the maltiness do you just mean loses the hoppyness? Cause that has been what I noticed. I know that the hop flavor is composed of aromatic compounds (I am a biochemist so the specific chemicals are of great interest to me), and these are very volatile and break down quickly.
     
  4. frothyhead

    frothyhead Initiate (0) Mar 14, 2007 New Jersey

    Believe it or not, "balance" used to be something that was popular in beers. People age IPAs of any strength to restore some balance to an otherwise overloaded, palate wrecking beer. It can also reduce any alcohol bite that might be present in these abominations. Some like it. Some don't. Find out which way you like them and keep doing it.
     
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  5. APB

    APB Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2012 Nebraska

    Founders Doom comes to mind although I know there are more out there that I've tried.
     
  6. robwater

    robwater Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2012 Colorado

    120-minute is just "not horrible" fresh. Outfrigginstanding with a year+.
     
  7. KS1297

    KS1297 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    volatile hop compounds and what not. I don't want to bore you with the details, it's very scientific.
     
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  8. DonSaleen747

    DonSaleen747 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2009 Connecticut

    I have a bottle of stones dayman waiting for a while. Just wanted to see how much more coffee I get after sitting on it for a while. Maybe its will suck but its worth a shot
     
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  9. robwater

    robwater Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2012 Colorado

    Drink this bitch now.
     
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  10. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Was it Ascension? If so, that's a triple IPA @ 18% ABV. Morgan @ Beer Junction told me it's sort of their version of 120 Minute. In other words, could be suitable for aging. It has a waxed cap, indicating the brewery might also believe this is the case.
     
  11. VictorWisc

    VictorWisc Maven (1,379) Jan 2, 2013 Massachusetts

    You might be overanalyzing it. The point of aging is to reduce volatility and build deep flavors while mellowing the harsher ones (like tannins in red wine). So the volatility that appeals to hopheads is not what you want to look for in aged products. Tannins in beer is generally bad, but tannins do help beer age (just like wine), which is why oak barrels are useful. But you know all this, being a biochemist. Losing hoppiness is not the worst thing that can happen to beer if it achieves balance in return. I'm going to play with wild grapevines in a strong ale for home brew and will report in a year or two--that should send tannins through the roof, so it might do well in the bottle without barrel aging.
     
  12. balto22

    balto22 Crusader (414) Feb 7, 2013 New York
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    Yes it was.
     
  13. ubenumber2

    ubenumber2 Maven (1,457) Sep 1, 2012 Arkansas

    I had Lagunitas Sucks from December yesterday and the hops were all but gone in it and there was not enough malt to support it in my opinion, it tasted like a very bitter pale ale without a lot of flavor to it
     
  14. regularjohn

    regularjohn Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 New Jersey

    personally i thought doom was awesome it was really unique, still had the base IPA taste (which was more on the back end) but lots of smooth bourbon and sweet vanilla up front, seriously delicious. others that come to mind barrel aged head high and dfh burton baton, both great as well. come to think of it i never actually had just a regular IPA that was a year old vintage as the OP suggested, but i think BA IPA's are awesome
     
  15. mporter13

    mporter13 Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Oregon

    I've had a Celebration that was 2+ years old a couple months back. Tastes more like an old ale than an ipa at that point, but I was surprisingly happy.
     
  16. McStagger

    McStagger Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2005 California

    I am currently drinking a bottle of Double Jack brewed on 6/21/13. The bitterness is greatly subdued, as is the citrus component. However, it has become a tropical fruit bomb. Lot of mango, papya and passion fruit. I had a bottle two nights ago that was only two weeks old and the citrus and bitterness just popped. Much fresher tasting and definitely more assertive. However, I think I like the six week UJ better. The tropical fruit hits on more notes, and the subdued bitterness makes it easier to taste. All personal preference, I suppose. Would I try a six month old Double Jack? Probably not at nine bucks a bomber, but it would be interesting to see how it evolves.
     
  17. TommyLiam

    TommyLiam Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2013 Arizona

    In my mind aged IPAs without anytime on wood are just old beers with wasted hop inputs.

    I'll go ahead and give the obligatory plug for Burton Baton now.
     
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  18. Jspriest

    Jspriest Pundit (940) Feb 9, 2011 Pennsylvania

    If you're a biochemist looking for information on hop compound and oil deterioration, you're on the wrong forum. If you want a bunch of opinions on when to drink a single/double/triple IPA, you're in the right place, and the answer here is always Yesterday.

    Somewhat relevant anecdote: I drank a 6 year old Snake Dog IPA last weekend. I noticed two things. First, that I've had more offensive tasting/smelling IPAs that have sat in my car for a single hot weekend (this bottle never really left its refrigerated environment in 6 years). And second, that it smelled way too much like some of my favorite aged barleywines (american; dry-hopped), but did not taste nearly as good, which I attribute to FG, abv, and malts used.

    In conclusion, something about 120 minute, and something about empiricism being just the worst, but sometimes all we have.
     
  19. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    The two beers, triple ipa in question is somewhere in the realms of 15 and 18% abv; big ass beers like that usually don't taste all that great fresh. So, their logic in calling it a vintage and annual release is justifiable.
     
  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I just had a bottle of Double Jack that was 4 months old, and while it wasn't the hop bomb I was expecting, it was still delicious.

    OP, depends on the IPA: the maltiness, ABV, flavors, etc. Obviously DFH 120 is great with some age on it. I can think of some other double or triple IPAs that are similar. Doesn't mean they should all be aged (and I have yet to try a "normal" IPA that I thought was better with age), but I wouldn't rule it out for any one beer until I tried it.
     
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