Where is the line between fruit beer and alcopop?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by leedorham, Sep 11, 2013.

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  1. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Is it all about presentation? I've had some "raspberry wheat" beers at brew pubs that may as well have been a Mike's Hard Raspberry or something.

    If a craft brewer brews something fruity and sweet that doesn't taste anything like beer, is it still craft beer?
     
  2. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I guess it would just be some bad craft. Seriously though, I'll try fruit styles from brewers that I trust. Seems that some great brewers never mess with fruit, but occasionally some do work well. I remember sucking down some RJ Rocker's Son of a Peach on a hot day of golf.
     
  3. DarkDragon999

    DarkDragon999 Maven (1,331) Feb 13, 2013 Rhode Island

    fruit beers are for women and alcopops are for teens.:grinning:
     
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  4. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I'm a lazy, ignorant bastard but I'd guess it has to do with the malt/fermentables base (or should). Once it goes over a certain threshold of grain malt (50%?) I'd consider it beer. But I have no idea what "alcopop" is made from, so I could be talking completely out of my ass.
     
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  5. crusian

    crusian Pooh-Bah (1,989) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    one is brewed.
    but yeah, I get you. anything fruity sweet is an alcapop to me.
     
  6. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    Fruit beer is brewed in Belgium. Its really all that simple.
     
  7. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa

    Schell's Schocked Radler = borderline alcoholic soda. So sweet. Not a huge radler/shandy fan in general though.
     
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  8. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Cantillon Kriek might be a fruit beer, but it kicks ass. But I know what you mean.
     
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  9. smartassboiler

    smartassboiler Pooh-Bah (2,518) Apr 9, 2012 Illinois
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    Also by New Glarus.
     
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  10. BorisKarloff

    BorisKarloff Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2013 Ohio

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  11. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    It kicks ass because it's technically not a "fruit beer". :sunglasses:
     
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  12. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    True enough, but those cherries sure are strong.
     
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  13. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Speaking of New Glarus, I managed to get my hands on a couple bottles the other day from a kind BA from Wisconsin--the Strawberry Rhubarb and the Serendipity. In reading the labels, I saw that they talk about wild fermentation and the like, so I was confused at the classification on here as "fruit beer" rather than "wild ale".

    But then I opened my Strawberry Rhubarb a few nights ago and got none of the elements that I would expect from wild fermentation--no tart or sour elements whatsoever.

    Can someone who is more in the know about NG enlighten me? Will the Serendipity that I have get more tart if I give it some time to cellar?

    Seeing as how the NG website describes the beers as either "wild fruit ale" (Strawberry) or "fruited sour ale" (Serendipity), I'm a little confused at why the beer didn't taste at all tart.
     
  14. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Those beers are pasteurized, then bottle conditioned. So while they may develop in the bottle, I do not believe they will become any more sour.
     
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  15. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    Can on confirm this? Source?
     
  16. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Admittedly, this is from 2005. So maybe things have changed. If they have, I haven't heard.

    http://www.brew-monkey.com/articles/interview.php?id=3

    "Do you pasteurize or add preservatives?
    All of our beers are Flash Pasteurized as is common in Europe. Some of our beers are then repitched and bottle fermented. Remember that we make fruit beers with souring fermentations."
     
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  17. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2009 Washington

    Good.. no kriek for you.:wink:
     
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  18. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    I thought Rose de Gambrinus tasted like a 1:1:1 blend of cider, white zinfandel and Lindemans Raspberry, so I don't even think it's a universal rule that it depends on who's brewing it. My only Cantillon and boy did that not taste the way I expected it to.
     
  19. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2009 Washington

    Why not?? its technically beer and brewed with fruit. It might work better with fruit than most styles out there... but that does not change those facts.
     
  20. smartassboiler

    smartassboiler Pooh-Bah (2,518) Apr 9, 2012 Illinois
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    I did find their Belgian Red and Raspberry Tart to be tart, but that was before trying actual sours. They are definitely on the sweet side, and I don't find Serendipity to be tart whatsoever.
     
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