So now that Beer Trading threadshitting is back in full-effect ...

'Helpful' unsolicited replies to someone's ISO post help bury less-controversial ISO's. Is there any way to allow for replies but maintain a global date-submission sorted list?

 

I think that, in general, a time limit is better than a postcount limit. Postcount will probably just cause people to post a bunch of pointless replies in order to get it, sort of the way the karma limit sometimes made people put in bogus reviews.

Otherwise I agree on all points. I think mods would be great, a better definition for more reliable reporting would be great, and above all keeping comments open is great.

EDIT:

I've heard that that only works per session. I don't know because I've never used it, but if that's the case it's not quite as useful, doing it every time would be a bit of a pain.

 

It would be very nice to have reasonable moderators that can enforce rules based on what you ultimately define as threadshitting. I think that definition is pretty clear based on what we've seen since the forum has been open to replies. If the comment isn't helpful or productive in helping the OP complete their trade or adjust their offer to ultimately complete their trade.... it's probably threadshitting. If an ISO or FT is soooo far out of line, it's just not going to get done.... if you can not provide constructive criticsm, don't troll or threadshit - just mind your own damn business and move on.

 

This is true. Even when you enter a post and then click the link at the top to go back to ISO:FT, it defaults back to "last posted".

 

Properly modified the ISO board could be the safe and happy place to trade it once was. I DO NOT nominate myself for mod

 

Mods can make or break an online community - choose wisely and remove them when they feel they are Pharoahs.

 

A combination of both minimum posts and time on the site keep folks from post-whoring and gaming the system, especially if you don't advertise the exact requirements but simply encourage new members that access will com with time and participation.

 

Overall I really like the ideas suggested. I really liked the post (karma) minimum when it was used before. I think it forces people to be a "part of" BA. Plus it forces them to poke around and get use to how things work and learn some information. If people are truly only interested in trading and nothing else on BA, there are other options to do that. I feel BA should be more about beer information and conversations.

 

As noted earlier, this is per-session (not per browser session, but per time you are in that particular forum area). So again, this is just my feedback. I don't think that it's fair to have a default view on a trading forum that allows for burying of ISO/FT posts because they aren't controversial. That was one of the things that I really enjoyed when the old trading forum went post-only: it was very easy to keep up on posts.

 

Does this mean you don't want the default to be "Time of Thread Creation"? If so, is there any particular reason why? That seems to be one of the major gripes that people have with allowing replies in ISO:FT. Not necessarily only for viewing purposes, but also it can bury posts rather quickly.

 

Unfortunately, as active users we all have some favorable/unfavorable bias towards certain arguments, other users, etc. Nominating someone who has been on the site for a long time and has a positive reputation sounds great, but each eligible user involved with a lot of posting/trading will have a different perspective because they are still involved so much in the community.

For instance, there are a couple people I've dealt with either through trading or personally that are good members of the site and I'd recommend. However, these same people are still very active in trading and may have strong opinions. Trading partners, tasting group members or friends may get more posting lenience than the average person. Or, maybe they have a preexisting negative opinion about a couple users and aren't able to get past that.

It sucks that the people who are most qualified for the job have probably done some trolling in the past or are too active in the trading scene. Not sure if there is a great answer to this.

 

Gotcha, I had a suspicion this was the case. I'm good with either way, but I know that came up a lot in the other threadshitting thread

 

How many people are really active on BA without being traders? I can think of, like, jesskidden (who may trade for all I know).

 

Ok, so changing the ISO forum to create-date default isn't an option.

I guess my next question would be - is the reason for not maintaining the ISO forum as post-only a technical issue also?

It seems like you went through this decision process once before; that is the reason why there is a trading general questions forum. I think that there is more unsolicited input happening now than there was before the lockdown, so has it just come to be seen as something that is now deemed useful (whereas before it was seen as problematic)?