So now that Beer Trading threadshitting is back in full-effect ...

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Apr 25, 2012.

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  1. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    I am sure there are a good amount of people out there. I have been very active on BA for years and do very little trading (only a couple IP and even fewer shipping trades a year). I would guess there are people who even trade less than me.
     
  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Tons. Beer traders on BA are a small percentage of our really active users. :grimacing: *shocker!*
     
  3. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    agree completely, but think that it's important that they tread lightly / not power trip too much, since people will be trying to exploit the report function + they might not get some of the nuances of people's interaction. regardless of how much power they have, clear rules + non-trader sounds perfect to me.
     
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  4. claaark13

    claaark13 Maven (1,412) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
    Trader

    I only know you from the trading forums and a handful of other posts. However, you have a good amount of followers so it seems there are plenty of people who may vouch for you if you're interested.

    stupac2 - I agree with your point; there aren't a ton of nanobrews out there.
     
  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Nope. We could implement it immediately. However, like I said above: "We'd like to keep comments open. We feel that sometimes it can help the trader and others."

    So I guess it depends if most think otherwise.
     
  6. brian23456

    brian23456 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2008 Minnesota
    Trader

    Good stuff Todd.

    Defining "threadshitting" as it applies to the trading forum is a necessity at this point. Some people have been calling "threadshit!" for almost any reply in a ISO/FT thread. Most of the useless, lengthy arguments come from a accusation and a defense.
    I really liked the limit on how many ISO's you can post in a week and the no self bump rules, what did you guys think? It seems to me there is usually 2 or 3 ISO/FTs from the same couple people on the front page everyday. I think there is still a no bumping rule in effect, but when you see a post with 3 replies all from the OP.....

    As far as the definition of threadshitting, I'll throw out a starting point:
    Denouncing a trade offer without providing helpful information?
    Insulting or malicious replies?

    I hope we can keep the comical and curious posts in the trading forum and not just restrict responses to information only. Despite what some people may think, beer trading is not serious business!

    Edit----Can we please openly trade Mead????
    Please?
     
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  7. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Initiate (0) Jun 7, 2005 New York

    Agree with this point. We should go back to the 3 ISO/FT posts/week limitation.
     
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  8. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Moderation is never perfect. Someone will always find issue with a mod's actions.
     
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  9. JM03

    JM03 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2010 Ohio

    I also think we could possibly put in place some stricter rules for those posting the initial ISO: . If they are more clear with what they want, what they are trading, how many of each, etc.... that would avoid many of the questions/replies to the thread which could be construed as a threadshit.
     
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  10. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2008

    I nominate nanobrew for mod.
     
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  11. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    So if you've ever thread shat you are out of the running? What if you've only done it once*.....?

    *or a few times?
     
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  12. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Depends. I've seen a few BAs think they were being funny and others liking their comments in a trade post that had nothing to do with them or the trade. This is threadshitting; the OP agreed and reported it.
     
  13. BdubleEdubleRUN

    BdubleEdubleRUN Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 California

    I'm on this team.
     
  14. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'm a big fan of the time/post limit. It's really not unreasonable to expect somebody to put in 3 months and/or a certain number of posts before allowing ISO/FT privileges.

    As the threadshitting thread has shown, I think it's really hard to put a tight definition around a "threadshit". It almost seems like it needs to be left in the hands of mods with some basic guidelines. To take a stab at those guidelines, I think tone and intent are a big part of it. i.e. if you're going to comment to help out a new trader, be polite and educational. If you're doing it in a self-serving manner (i.e. you have an FT up for the same beer asking for more), then it should be removed.
     
  15. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    For someone who's 1 warning point away from being put into a 1 month timeout, I'd post wisely. :wink:
     
  16. brian23456

    brian23456 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2008 Minnesota
    Trader

    I suppose my defintion for "threadshitting" was way off then?
     
  17. Crawfordesquire

    Crawfordesquire Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2011 North Carolina

    I nominate hanzo.
     
  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Nope. I was commenting to the general notion of having fun, at the expense of others.
     
  19. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    I agree with this. And I think tone might be the main thing that gets narrowed down. Intent is fairly easy to distinguish. Tone however is hard. As I mentioned in that thread, a lot of people try to act "cute" and "funny". Though their intent may be appropriate, the tone can set the thread down hill. If you have something appropriate to say, then say it in an appropriate manner.
     
  20. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'm totally on board with non-traders for mods, but, I think it has to be people that pay attention to the trade market. (Or really willing to invest the necessary time to learn) Almost needs to be an ex-trader, or an extremely infrequent one. There's a lot of minutiae to this hobby. For example, regular traders can call out many infected vintages at the mere name of the beer, but I'm not sure non-traders would know that.
     
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