I'll Never Not Use Hop Bags Again

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by sjverla, Sep 26, 2013.

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  1. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I just finished bottling a porter. It was awful. I'm expecting to look forward to several gallons of oxidized beer in the next month or so. Hop particles kept clogging the siphon. I had to restart it 7 or 8 times. It's not like it had an absurd amount of hops - just a mere 3 ounces. Doesn't matter. From now one, even if it's just a single pellet, it's going in a bag. Holy hell was that an annoying experience.

    It's time for a beer...
     
  2. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    did you dry hop it? Where did all this hop matter come from?
    I've dry hopped plenty of times, free floating, and by the time it got through the bottling bucket there was no problems.
    I suppose it's too late, but if in the future you notice the problem, gently stir in the bucket, (or carboy, whatever) and let sit for a while to get all the matter to the center. then siphon from the edges.
    THat said, I've had issues getting the beer out of the fermenter before, and really haven't noticed any issues with oxidation. As long as it wasn't splashing around too badly, you should be OK.
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    You are preaching to the choir...hate that when that happens (stuck siphons)...try putting some spigots on your fermenters : )
     
  4. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    It was dry hopped, which I've done before, sans bag, without issue. These hops were special somehow - ground slightly finer, just a little heavier, woke up one the wrong side of the bed...who knows. I like your suggestion though. I'll give that a spin (no pun intended, but I'm keeping it).

    A solid idea. I'll look into it.

    Also, has anyone used WLP013? It's especially sludgy. It makes not disturbing the cake nice and easy, and I'm mid yeast-wash and so far so good. But if this is a mid-flocculating yeast, what the hell happens with high floc ones? Does it turn into a brick?
     
  5. drgarage

    drgarage Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2008 California

    You can also put the hop bag around the base of the siphon, which prevents hops from getting into it.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Try Wyeast 1968 some time.
     
  7. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California


    I was drinking the first pint of a mild from the keg after having some temporary crowns put on at the dentist. I looked in my glass and swore I saw a tooth/crown floating in it... turns out it was a piece of brick hard 1968 cake.
     
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  8. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Done that before with success. This time, no such luck. It was just doomed.
     
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  9. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I was thinking the same thing today after bottling an IPA. Clogged a bunch and a good amount ended up getting in the last six bottles. Ahh well, I was planning on drinking it fairly quickly anyhow, and the six ounces of dry hops that were giving me so much trouble should cover up any oxidation for as long as it takes me to kill it.
     
  10. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    You know what I hate, double negatives in post titles. It makes me never not sometimes not want to read the post.

    Just kidding OP. I'm going to guess, although I can feel your pain, you'll be fine the beers A-ok.
     
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  11. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Lots of great ideas in this thread, but I have gone to the hop bag side of things. I use a bit more in the bag to account for the lower utilization.
     
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  12. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    Commando on all my dry hop additions, as long as I cold crash and use a nylon paint strainer bag over the end of the auto siphon, beer runs clear and steady.
     
  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've dry hopped a few beers and haven't had any problems with hops just flocking to the bottom of the fermenter. I use pellets exclusively for ~10-14 days. Maybe my time is coming. :slight_smile:
     
  14. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Yeah I've only done it with pellets too. And haven't had this problem before. It was a different brand of pellets though - so maybe they were ground more finely? I can't cold-crash (though in the winter I'll probably just leave it on my porch for a day or two).
     
  15. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Cold crashing is usually above freezing for a longer period of time (7+ days). You might see some benefit from a day or two on the porch. I dunno. If I think my siphon is going to get clogged, I personally use a paint straining bag and I pull it out a day or two before I'm going to rack. This saves lots of headaches when using fruit.
     
  16. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Eh, you do what you can to approximate ideal. There's a good chance that in Western Mass. I could get 2-7 days above freezing after November. I'll take what I can get, and will obsess over the forecast.

    In addition to using hop bags, I'll also be pouring through a paint strainer bag into the bucket from now on.

    Probably the largest issue with this whole ordeal what the fact that I don't have an autosiphon. Which I've never found necessary, and probably won't, provided other steps are successful.
     
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  17. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I was trying to show somebody how to rack and bottle a beer on which we had used whole leaf hops. As I had previously used whole hops only occasionally and sparingly, I ended up doing nothing right that evening.

    I feel your pain for the unexpected result. In the end, though, I don't expect it will be as bad as you fear.
     
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  18. JoeSpartaNJ

    JoeSpartaNJ Zealot (691) Feb 5, 2008 New Jersey

    I only use hop bags during the boil, and free float my dry hops. I have a large nylon grain bag that I close pin to the lid of my keg and put the end of the racking tube in the bottom of the bag. End result, no hop residue in the keg. It will also work in the bottling bucket. Rinse out bag, good to use next time.

    I also sanitize the bag inside the keg. When I dump out the sanitizer, I grab the bag before it comes out to reduce the chance of any infections.

    Hope this helps.
     
  19. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    If it is the largest issue, then the solution should be obvious! Of course, real men don't use an autosiphon, but for the rest of us it is one of the best tools of the trade.
     
  20. sckoehl11

    sckoehl11 Initiate (179) Mar 6, 2013 Illinois

    I brewed with 3oz of pellet hops yesterday and could see all the hop residuals in the wort after my boil. I didn't want to put it in the fermentor so I sanitized a small pitcher and funnel with a strainer. I ran all the wort through the funnel and got rid of just an unbelievable amount of hop junk. I hate all the excess handling/extra steps, but I'm hoping by being extra careful with the sanitizer and transfering that my beer will end up clearer and praying that its bug-free. I so badly need a brew kettle with a spigot, and a conical fermentor.
     
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