Cellaring Beer. Just Say No?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by brureview, Sep 28, 2013.

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How do you cellar your beer?

  1. Refrigeration with Temperature control

    26.5%
  2. No Refrigeration

    31.2%
  3. Below 55°F

    18.8%
  4. At 70°F or below

    35.3%
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  1. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    In the editorial of Beer Advocate Magazine #80;" Generally speaking, cellaring beer is a waste of time, money, and beer. There. We said it. Someone had to."

    Provocative point- and well worth considering.

    I have had excellent results cellaring some beers: quads, a Saison with brett, a very high ABV Imperial Stout, a high ABV Stingo, and Barleywines.

    Imperial stouts and tripels in general do seem to cellar well for me- even at 10% ABV. It was recommended by a lager brewer to drink his brewery's beers fresh- even the high ABV beers.

    In my opinion- don't be obsessed about cellaring beer- although it's worth trying for some styles.
     
  2. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Pooh-Bah (2,894) Aug 22, 2013 California
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    To each his own
     
  3. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    It is my opinion that the overwhelming majority of beers, even cellarable styles, do not improve with age. I wholeheartedly agree cellaring is generally a waste of time, money and beer. There is value to learning through trial and error, I have been there. Stick with a small amount of proven beers if you are going to cellar beer. I would rather have a several cases of Expedition Stout and Third Coast Old Ale than a cellar full of a wide variety wait and see beers.
     
  4. JasonLovesBeer

    JasonLovesBeer Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Canada (BC)

    To say that cellaring is a waste of time and pointless is the same as saying that all RIS', barleywines, etc should always be cellared. Both statements are dumb on account of being too black and white.

    I would wholeheartedly support the notion that cellaring beer is unnecessary. A beer should be ready to drink upon its release. If it's not, it's not a good beer. That being said, a beer will continue to develop, and depending on the style this could provide a different drinking experience that some will consider better. But if the beer is unsuitable to cellar, its 'developing' will be simply degradation.
     
  5. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Good analysis. If a beer is good- it will be enjoyed fresh. A cellared beer will "provide a different drinking experience". Sometimes that experience will improve the taste, and other times a fresher tasting is better.
     
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  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Here's the thing, there are so many one off beers that a person may want to save for a special occasion I feel that a person needs to have an idea on how to preserve these beers. Sometimes aging the beer to see how it changes is the last reason to keep a cellar.
     
  7. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Conventional wisdom may mislead us into thinking that it is better to cellar a beer than
    drink it fresh. Cellaring isn't a sure bet for a better beer down the road, and it shouldn't deter us from
    drinking beer fresh.
     
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  8. JasonLovesBeer

    JasonLovesBeer Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Canada (BC)

    Yeah good point, I'd say at least half of my cellar is just beers I couldn't resist buying that I haven't had the chance to drink yet. I prioritize by the 'cellarability' of the beer, ie IPA's always get drank first and low ABV beers will generally get pulled out while the bigger stouts and ales will wait.
     
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  9. ggfunk

    ggfunk Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2010 Oregon

    I "cellar" because I want to enjoy a particular beer later when it won't be available for purchase.

    Or is that hoarding?
     
  10. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I also prioritize half of my cellar. Lagers are drunk first- even IPLs. Followed by IPAs, brown ales, porters. I let the higher ABV beers sit awhile until I get a chance to drink them.
     
  11. callmemickey

    callmemickey Initiate (0) Aug 12, 2007 Pennsylvania

    "Generally speaking, cellaring beer is a waste of time, money, and beer. There. We said it. Someone had to."

    As someone with over five hundred beers in my cellar and years of cellaring under my belt, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. In general, cellaring beer does little good. That said, certain styles and certain brewers have demonstrated that their offerings can benefit from time in a proper cellar. Lambics from the top producers, for example, change over time and can show remarkable development. Cellaring of many other beer styles, however, does little good (in my opinion). This concept isn't unique to the beer world. In the wine world, people don't bother cellaring certain styles for any extended periods of time (e.g., Pinot Grigio) while others evolve gracefully (e.g., Bordeaux, Chateauneuf-du-Pape, etc).
     
  12. ManforallSaisons

    ManforallSaisons Pooh-Bah (1,554) Mar 20, 2008 Belgium
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    Buy doubles of everything, drink one and store one -- you're welcome. OK, don't store most of them. But the point is that unlike wine, I wouldn't buy anything I wouldn't want to drink right away. The lambics and a few others, I feel do get better, and they're all great brewery fresh. What a world...
     
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  13. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Do Parabola and Firestone Anniversary age well?
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I do the same damn thing. I need to become more of a beer drinker and less of a beer hoarder. I knew I had a problem when I noticed I had six bottles of parabola, two from the last three years and I had only had the beer on tap four years ago.
     
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  15. CowsandBeer

    CowsandBeer Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2012 Nebraska

    Quickly learning this too. Bummer, man.
     
  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Just read your post. I have IV and three years of parabola I would gladly trade away. Its just laying around collecting dust anyway. :wink:
     
  17. maDUECEgunner

    maDUECEgunner Initiate (0) May 23, 2013 Minnesota

    Well Black Butte has a BEST AFTER date so hell yeah I am cellaring it. Even though it sits there in the basement begging me to drink it...
     
  18. bobcatjones

    bobcatjones Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2013 Colorado

    If you like oxidized attributes in your beer then cellar away. I always like to drink it how the brewer intended it to be- fresh. Certain bottles will KEEP well, but I typically dont find that they AGE well. Oxidized malt and hop aromas are inevitable and not my favorite. For me, cellaring can be a fruitless endeavour. Having said that, to each his own and if your taste buds dig those attributes then keep on rocking in the free world. I believe that beer is for drinking- not for looking at!
     
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  19. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    This debate has been going on forever. There are really two answers.

    If you want to age stuff, & enjoy it, then age away. There are certainly beers that get better with age, & there are certainly those that fade, even quickly.

    Second is don't trust over-generalizations. Those claiming that most beers should/should not be aged may have that experience with their own palate, but there are plenty of people who'll swear up-and-down on the other side of the fence.

    If you have the money, space, & inclination, do it. If you don't have all three of these things, don't.
     
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  20. IKR

    IKR Maven (1,490) May 25, 2010 California
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    It absolutely makes no sense without a proper temperature controlled storage area. For a while I was one of those justifying my sub-par storage and going about oxidizing and cooking good beer. FWIW, when I do it now, it's in a dedicated secondary refrigerator at 52F.
     
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