Porters: why bother?

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  1. Loganyoung

    Loganyoung Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2011 Georgia

    Had a evil twin lil B for the first time the other day. Fucking amazing. Anyone hating on porters needs to give that a try.
     
  2. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I definitely won't be tackling the subject of styles today; I've already bitten off about as much as I can chew. But here's my guess about the second part of your post: When a brewery brewed more than one porter recipe, the one that was darker, roastier, and perhaps also had a higher ABV was given the "stout" modifier.
     
  3. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    Yup...but one brewery's stout (porter) could taste exactly like another brewery's (regular) porter.
     
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  4. bramsdell

    bramsdell Initiate (0) May 27, 2011 North Carolina

    You want us to convince you with words something that only your taste buds can agree with?

    Someone can make the greatest argument of why you should love porters, but if you try Founders Porter and don't like it, then you just won't want to bother. Also, if you haven't tried Founders Porter before making this thread, you're a moron.
     
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  5. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I've had Founder's Porter, and I like it. Nowhere in this thread did I say "I don't like porters." The whole point I was trying to make (whether it was worth making is another matter) is that I like Founder's Breakfast Stout better—and that given a choice between a comparable porter and stout, I'm likely to prefer the stout. To me, stouts simply have more of everything that I like in porters. And I was wondering how many people agree with me. More to the point, I wanted to find out if porters have some intrinsic quality that stouts don't. Because if they do, I'm not aware of it.
     
  6. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    It's not that stouts have more of everything you like in porters, it's that the beers being labeled as stouts have more of everything that you like in porters. If those brewers called those stouts you love so much porters, then this thread wouldn't exist. Or, dare I say, the title would be "Stouts: why bother?"
     
  7. stncttr908

    stncttr908 Aspirant (281) May 14, 2009 New Jersey

    This makes sense to me. A lot of people I know only like their porters/stouts one per sitting, whereas other styles they could drink all day. Their logic tends to be if I'm going to have one, make it big (Russian Imperial for example).

    Personally porters/stouts are my preferred style so I'll drink them all day across the entire ABV spectrum.
     
  8. GotWad629

    GotWad629 Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2010 New York

    All hail Edmund Fitz.
     
  9. solar77

    solar77 Initiate (0) Sep 27, 2013 Delaware

    Honestly, that beer is a bit of a wreck.
     
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  10. GotWad629

    GotWad629 Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2010 New York

    non beer video deleted

    It was Gordon Lightfoots favorite
     
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  11. antilite

    antilite Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2012 Florida

    I got your Gitche Gumee right here.
     
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  12. dianimal

    dianimal Savant (1,006) Apr 18, 2012 California

    Don't drink any more porters. Please leave them for the rest of us.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For breweries that make a Stout and a Porter, the distinction is often the presence (or absence) of Roasted Barley in the grain bill.

    Let’s consider Sierra Nevada for example. Their Stout uses Roasted Barley while there is no Roasted Barley in their Porter.

    Now, let’s consider Deschutes. Their Stout includes Roasted Barley while their Porter does not use Roasted Barley.

    A ‘quick’ conclusion based upon the above is that a Stout has Roasted Barley while a Porter doesn’t. Unfortunately it is not quite this simple since there are breweries who do use Roasted Barley to make their Porters. An example of this is Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter which has some Roasted Barley in its grain bill.

    I think Pegli had a great statement of: “one brewery's stout (porter) could taste exactly like another brewery's (regular) porter.”

    There really are no cut and dry rules about what distinguishes a modern day Porter from a Stout.

    In another post you mentioned: “A long time ago, someone evidently felt that it was worth distinguishing a stout porter from a (regular?) porter by adding the adjective "stout" to the front.” Yup, in olden days in Britain a Stout Porter was a higher alcohol Porter. That was a very long time ago and no longer relevant to modern day Stouts/Porters.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. muddyh2oblues

    muddyh2oblues Initiate (0) Mar 13, 2010 Illinois

    i am usually not a porter fan, but last night i did find out one thing, a porter goes very well with smoked pork loin. it was like a match made in heaven. i usually don't look to pair my beer with the food i eat, but another person watching monday night football with us said to try it, i wouldn't be disappointed, man were they right.
     
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  15. bramsdell

    bramsdell Initiate (0) May 27, 2011 North Carolina

    No. They don't. There's nothing intrinsically different about porters over stouts. Thus, there can not be some intrinsic quality that they possess that stouts don't.
     
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  16. Flashy

    Flashy Pooh-Bah (1,767) Oct 22, 2003 Vermont
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    Apparently you woke up the Porter Appreciation Society.
     
  17. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    All I can say is in a blind test, with no labels you never tell the difference is teh abv was equal, Just saying.
    I am a certified porter/stout nut. at this point in time its just a label thing. History of this is been proven over and over and over. WE can argue a beer is better. but there is really no serious
    ok you said it out loud, now we will open the big can of whoop ass on you. Leave all the porter to me I love it.
    don FLAME SUIT. Ok you ready? I am happy for you. next topic
    /thread.:stuck_out_tongue::grinning:
     
  18. Hrodebert

    Hrodebert Savant (1,024) Sep 2, 2013 Michigan
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    Exactly!
    I have had thin Stouts, and thick Porters, as well as, thick Stouts, and thin Porters.
    Anyone would be very hard pressed to identify every Stout and every Porter in a blind test.
     
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  19. bleakies

    bleakies Maven (1,355) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    [Post deleted for saying the same thing everyone else who mentions blind tests is saying.]
     
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  20. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    So if this is the case, and porter/stout's history has no meaningful bearing on current practice, then why am I able to distinguish (or think I can) between the two in most cases? Note that I'm not talking about "imperial" porters here, but your standard run-of-the-mill ~6% ABV porter. (For the record, there are a handful of porters like Black Butte Anniversary that I count among my all-time favorite beers, but these trend more into imperial stout territory as far as I'm concerned). Why do I think there's a difference and have a clear preference if apparently there is none? Is it all in my head?
     
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