Bad News...

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by joromiller, Nov 15, 2013.

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  1. joromiller

    joromiller Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2013 Michigan
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    Hey BA community!

    I have an unfortunate situation that I'm hoping to get some input on. A regular trading partner (RTP1) connected me with one of his RTPs. RTP1 knew that I was ISO a specific beer. RTP1 connected me with his RTP (RTP2) who had the specific ISO bottle and wanted to trade it.

    Both RTPs are awesome guys, and great assets to the BA community. RTP2 and I agreed upon a trade for the specific ISO beer, and we shipped this week.

    My package came yesterday. I opened it up, and the specific ISO beer leaked between 1/4 and 1/3 of the bottle. I contacted RTP2, and he said that he'd send my box back to me. RTPs box was packed well, but something obviously happened in transit. I had to crack the bottle last night, and consume what was left. It drank ok, but obviously wasn't up to par b/c it had started to oxidized.

    Here's the kicker...

    The trade was for a legitimate White Whale from the White Whale list. I had to call on two other local friends for to get beers to land the Whale. The 3 of us were going to share the Whale together over the holidays. Unfortunately, they weren't able to come to my house last night b/c of prior commitments so they didn't get any of the beer (even though it was flat).

    I've had a can of HT or an extra break or leak in a box, but never something like this. The RTP2 said he'd just return my box. I told him that I'd want him to take out the extras (b/c there are some really good ones) and possibly some of the beers we agreed upon so it wasn't a total loss.

    I'm sure others have had a similar experience in the past. Both of us are totally cool with handling this off-line, but I'm curious as to how others have resolved a similar situation in an amicable way?

    Would love to hear from you, BA community...
     
  2. fiedler84

    fiedler84 Zealot (722) Dec 23, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    If he said he was going to return your box to you...why would you take it upon yourself to open the bottle without clearly defining what he would get, before doing so?

    IMHO...You shouldn't have opened the bottle. You should have determined what was going to be done first. He could have made the decision of how the beer tasted.

    Since you drank it, and didn't wait for his input...trade should be done once he receives your box. Maybe ask him to kick in some locals or something to it...but...why did you drink the bottle?
     
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  3. joromiller

    joromiller Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2013 Michigan
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    I apologize. He told me to drink it, and he'd send my box back. The bottle was toast. It would have been useless to send it back and he realized it.

    I guess my question is would you expect to get all your beers back if you were in my shoes? From my perspective, I feel really badly about the situation for both RTP2 and myself. I don't want him to be completely screwed in the trade.

    Does that make more sense?
     
  4. DenverBeerDrinker

    DenverBeerDrinker Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Colorado

    Curious what beer it was? Are they known to leak?
     
  5. AJDePaul

    AJDePaul Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2012 Illinois

    If it is an impossible to replace beer, then it really is just a communication thing between you and the other trader. Try to work something out that's fair. That's a hard one.

    I had an Armand Lente leak in a trade. Not much leakage but enough that something had to be done. I sent him another Armand...
     
  6. whitemomba

    whitemomba Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2011 Virginia

    The fact he drank it though says trade complete? Right? If sender evens it out with a nice growler or a bottle or 2 of something special, you might just have to write it off.
     
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  7. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan

    Once you popped the bottle open....the transaction is complete! Would have been better off just re shipping both boxes back to each other.
    That BVDL isn't necessarily a "white whale"...plus it probably would have heald up until your buddies made it around to drink it!
     
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  8. JMRSN

    JMRSN Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Yeah, curious to know what the bottle was. This is a tough one. If I was in this situation, I wouldn't have drank the bottle. I would have sent it back and got my bottles back. No harm no foul type of thing. Since you drank it, whether they said to or not, I don't think you should get anything back. Maybe they send a good makeup box or something. I'm sure you can work something out.
     
  9. BeRanger

    BeRanger Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan

    It's a tough situation complicated by the fact that you immediately drank a good 2/3 to 3/4 of said White whale.

    While an awful situation, I'd always want to see a video of you drain pouring that while crying to get your box returned.

    Perhaps he is returning 1/3 of the box or some agreed upon amount?

    I would just have a hard time stomaching losing my White Whale, sending the other end of the trade back and knowing the majority of the bottle was still consumed.

    Tough situation indeed.
     
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  10. JohnPPutz

    JohnPPutz Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2011 Illinois

     
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  11. phishphorce

    phishphorce Savant (1,023) Aug 4, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    You drank the bottle? Was that agreed upon before you opened it?

    What beer was it? Was it a cork and cage? Waxed? Just capped?

    Need more info.
     
  12. cradke

    cradke Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2009 Texas

    ^^This. The second you consume anything in a box sent your way, the deal is over. You could have put that in a gallon zip lock bag, and sent it back to him and let him have his old beer back and enjoy the 2/3 of it. You should have made a consensus decision before downing 2/3 a a BVDL
     
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  13. TheGoof

    TheGoof Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Michigan

    If you drink it, there's no going back.
     
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  14. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Either way, you consumed the bottle he sent you. Probably not under the circumstances you wanted, but you drank the bottle nonetheless. That would kind of seal the deal, IMO.
     
  15. shadowane

    shadowane Zealot (631) Sep 7, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Uh, did no one notice that the other trader told him to drink it?
     
  16. nicks6217

    nicks6217 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 California

    Its the shippers obligation to make sure the bottle got there intact. Shipping back a leaking bottle is dumb by all accounts, what purpose does it serve to return back a leaking bottle other than risking further damage in transit and confirming what both parties already know, that its already flat.
     
  17. joromiller

    joromiller Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2013 Michigan
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  18. Beerandboards

    Beerandboards Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2012 New Mexico

    My question is how did a waxed bottle leak? Where was the leak coming from? Was the wax broken?

    In any event, drinking it completes the trade.
     
  19. nicks6217

    nicks6217 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 California

    It happens, I've had Rivertown Lambic leak on me and it's also waxed.
     
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