Inductive versus Deductive Recipe Formulation

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by hoptualBrew, Dec 6, 2013.

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Which characterizes you?

  1. Inductive

    27.3%
  2. Deductive

    72.7%
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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Grappling with the concepts of 'Inductive' & 'Deductive' reasoning, which applies to your recipe formulation techniques in brewing? Do you deductively formulate your recipes by visualizing a final product and reduce back to individual components OR do you inductively formulate your recipes by sourcing individualized ingredients and adding them in a canvas like format to create an inestimated final product?
     
  2. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I figure out what I want to brew, come up with a recipe, then inventory the store room and adjust the recipe as needed.
     
  3. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I'm inductive, but kinda wish I was deductive.
     
  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
    Trader

    Pencil me in as 'conductive.'
     
  5. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Neither and both.
     
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  6. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Beer is good.
     
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  7. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    You're overthinking it.
     
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  8. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
    Pooh-Bah

    How about putting together a recipe and simply waiting to see how it turns out? With experience you find out what works anyway and can formulate a recipe which is going to give what you're looking for.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Deductive. The way you defined inductive amounts to a crap shoot. (Though I'm not sure. Is inestimated actually a word?) Not that I don't experiment with a new ingredient from time to time, but I'm starting with an idea of what it will contribute.

    Edit: your question is kind of interesting in terms of the averagely perfect projects. I'm guessing that most people started off with their own idea of the perfect american stout (or IPA previously), and used your definition of 'deduction' to guide their initial votes. But once that individual vision goes off the rails, I think (from reading the comments) that there are several strategies people are using in future voting.
     
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  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I most certainly do both of these things. I might start a recipe using the deductive model, and then buy ingredients. But I might end up with more ingredients than I need to use, just because of the quantities sold do not match the recipe. For those items that I have and excess of, I will try to inductively construct a second recipe... "What would I like to do with this extra 3 oz of roasted malt? How should I reuse the remaining EKGs? What could I make by topcropping that yeast..." etc. I like this latter exercise because it adds a different kind of creativity to this phase of brewing.
     
  11. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    My brew begins to take shape the moment I stand at the LHBS and pull grain, hops and yeast.
    Since the final product is never 100% pre-determined, its always 100% spot on.

    This madness has worked exceptionally for years.
    Cheers.
     
  12. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Depends on the beer. Sometimes I start with the idea and work backwards to determine a recipe. Sometimes I have a new hop variety or a delicious fruit, and I come up with an interesting way to use them (not entirely knowing what the result will be). Just tapped an IPA with Pacific Jade and Apollo, neither of which I’d used before.
     
  13. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    This is heavy! Think about the possibility of looking at your finger tip and there is a whole universe inside......
     
  14. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I determine what I want my final product to be and then pick the ingredients that I need to make that happen. Although sometimes I will pick a yeast strain I want to use and then design a recipe around the characteristics of that yeast that I want to highlight.
     
  15. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    Sometimes I start with a flavor profile in my head and use my experience with ingredients I've used in the past to come up with a recipe. Sometimes I use a commercial beer as a starting point, look at a bunch of clone recipes and then come up with my own version based on my desired preferences. Most of the time I just brew my standard house IPA and use whatever hops I have on hand - since I brew 10 gals., I usually come up with a dryhopping combo that I think would work, then let the 1st 5 gals. tell me how to tweek the dryhopping in the second 5 gals.
     
  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Heck, half the time I just eyeball the hops and scoop them out by the handful, what does that count for? :rolling_eyes:

    seriously tho...

    I would say that I take an ingredient based approach, not necessarily having a specific final product in mind, only a fairly general one. If I want to try a particular ingredient, I start with that, build the rest around it, and see what comes out of the bottle in the end. It's a particularly good approach for me since I like making SMaSH beers and generally don't mess with particularly complicated recipes or procedures. If you're wanting pale ales and IPAs, this works great, just don't skimp on the hops!

    Such an approach isn't good for everything tho, I would not expect this approach to produce a particularly good RIS, for instance. For some of my recipes I've taken a more 'community' approach, and sought advice about recipes before brewing (stouts, rye etc).
     
  17. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Seemed like a legitimate question to me
     
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