German craft beer

Sounds like you need a break from BA, if these are the things that bother you. Outside of these on-line communities, I doubt you are hearing on the streets or in the supermarket "oh fuck, this thing is only 28 ibus, what's the point. Where's a 2 week old, un-flitered, bottle conditioned DIPA that only costs 8 bucks a 6 pack?"

 

I see you found BrLQ...I really wasn't intending to have people check it out yet aside from the one post I made. It's in the early, early stages... however, I couldn't find the post that makes sense of the Mahr's info...what's the deal with them? (I am of course familiar with the brewery, but what is the news?)

 

Mmm... Pretty sure I own a physical copy of the Thausing book. Only problem is, I don't seem to be able to find it.

It's amazing I can ever find any books if you see the way I have them stored. Books in electronic form are so much easier to keep track of.

Just had another look and found it. I'd forgotten that I had a reprint of an American version of the book. Which isn't just a translation of the German edition. There are deletions of and additions to the German text. Quickly scanning it, I can't find anything about specific beer styles.

 

It's worth bearing in mind that Gabriel Sedlmayr (of Spaten) not only visited Britain, but Bass in Burton. He must have been aware of dry hopping as a technique

None of the Reinheitsgebot texts I've seen has anything that would forbid dry hopping. As it's just hops, I can't see what the problem would be.

 

German law did allow sugar in top-fermenting beers, though.

The German Beer Institute site is 100% useless as a source. There are no references and some of the stuff is definitely incorrect. Look at the page on Gose. Totally fucking wrong.

Un-malted grains required for many British beer styles? Sorry, that's bollocks. Did British brewers commonly use unmalted grains? Yes. Were they essential to the styles? No. I know what he's thinking. He believes Stout has to contain roast barley.

I was just looking through Whitbread records. One of the original big 18th-century Porter brewers. So a brewery that produced Stout for more than 200 years. They never used roast barley.

It's a bit sad looking at Whitbread's records from the late 1960's and early 1970's. Unlike most breweries, they'd only ever used unmalted grain when told to (during WW II).

 

Don't know where to post this, so I'll just put it here.
After Bitburger Braugruppe launched their side-project of "craft beer"-brand Craftwerk earlier this year, there is going to be a Köstritzer Pale Ale in 2014.
Not sure why Bitburger decided to bring this out under the Köstritzer brand which is widely perceived as a Schwarzbier-brand (although they also have a Pils).

 

They are also perceived as going against the grain. It was a Köstritzer complaint that resulted in the court decision that terminated the RHG so they have a bit of a revolutionary image already which is far more "marketable" than boring old mass produced Bitburger.

 

Below is a post from @bulletrain76 from another thread

It sounds like there was a clarification a few years ago that dry hopping with whole/pellet hops is now acceptable.

“From what I remember, it was only 2-3 years ago (But I might be wrong) and it was basically a grey area that wasn't directly examined, just kind of assumed. Now they have officially agreed that it's OK, though I think the rule against refined hop products like oil extracts still stands, so only whole hops or standard pellets can be used after the boil ends and extracts can still only be used during the boil.”

Cheers

 

Whereas it is somewhat true that Germans generally tend to think that if something isn't being done, then it must be forbidden, that doesn't necessarily imply that an official proclamation of acceptance of dry hopping means that there was an official ban on the practice beforehand. As Bulletrain said: it was likely a sort of "grey area."

 

Yep, U.S. "craft" beer is taking hold in Germany.

 

C'mon, don't you recognize traditional Fraenkischer Tracht when you see it?

 

That's not a pirate, it's Paul Revere.

 

That's what I was thinking, a colonial American.

 

Norbert Krines in traditional Franconian attire
http://bierdestages.de/blog/

 

When I worked in Germany, another American guy said an engineer from a French supplier explained it this way.
"In Germany every everything is forbidden unless it is specifically allowed.
In America everything is OK unless it is illegal.
In France it is all negotiable. "

 

They are available in Frankfurt through what sounds like an exclusive distributor. Boddhitree is up in Frankfurt, so I figured it was good news for him.

 

I actually looked them up online. The place you mention is more of a wholesale distributor from what I gather. Even if that's half true, I still haven't seen it around in REWE or... I don't visit Getränkemarkts, so it's moot. Buy it online, that's my motto.