Help me to understand and appreciate stouts

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  1. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    The one beer style I have so far been unable to take a liking toward is stouts. Though I hated IPAs the first few times I tried them, my eyes were opened within three months and now, at last, I could appreciate and enjoy them. Not so with stouts - at least, so far! I just find them excessively bitter (or bittersweet).

    While that's certainly not the end of the world, I aspire to have a well rounded appreciation for beer. So, what I'm asking here is for a little help as to what I should be looking for. What is it that you typically enjoy about a stout? As an example, I will pick two of my favorite beers in recent days and give a brief comment about what I appreciate about them. Example:

    Lagunitas Little Sumpin' Sumpin' Ale - Delightful notes of grapefuit.

    Liefman's Cuvee Brut - Incredible balance between faint sweetness and subtle tartness.

    Anything you could point out about stouts would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to gain an appreciation for them. What should I be looking for? Thanks.
     
  2. peteinSD

    peteinSD Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2010 California

    if you don't like 'em, don't drink 'em. beer isn't a test but simply something to enjoy.
     
  3. deadonhisfeet

    deadonhisfeet Pooh-Bah (2,481) Apr 23, 2011 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    What I like about stouts is the balance between the sweetness of the malt and the intense roastiness inherent in the style. To me, having one after a meal or as a nightcap is every bit as good as a big, rich slice of chocolate cake and a fine cup of coffee. Like any other intensely-flavored style, stouts may take a little getting used to. The more beers you drink, the more your palate will develop. Eventually, you may take a real shine to them. At one time, I hated barleywines. Now I seek them out all the time.

    Of course, if you never do take a shine to stouts, don't worry about it. In fact, you can consider yourself lucky. You'll save lots of time, effort, and money not having to hunt down the big ones :slight_smile: .
     
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  4. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Thanks for a good answer dead... Are there any "entry level" stouts that are not bitter and/or more smooth that you could recommend?
     
  5. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    try milk stouts, they are substantially sweeter, if you get tallgrass, their stout is really good and reminds me of a roasty brown ale.
     
  6. TheFlern

    TheFlern Initiate (0) May 9, 2009 Idaho

    My advice:

    This really isn't the best time of year to be getting into stouts. The warmer it is the less appealing this style becomes imo.

    Based on your location the best beer i can tell you to check out that I think you'll have access to is Chicory Stout by DFH.

    Finally, from my experience you don't become a fan of a style by forcing yourself to like it. Just keep drinking the beers you enjoy and sooner or later your tastes will wonder to the dark side of beer and you'll start to enjoy porters and stouts. Then over time your tastes will shift again away from porters and stouts toward another style. So don't force the issue and just enjoy the beers that you like now while you can. Sooner or later that beer you think that is awesome now will taste much less awesome once your taste buds change. It happens and there is nothing you can do about it. Just go with the flow.
     
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  7. jl28r1

    jl28r1 Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2011 Texas

    Try Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout. I think it might fit in as not bitter as well as smooth.
    Also, read some reviews of some of the different stout styles, you might find a few that will fit what you are looking for.
    Good Luck.
     
  8. goosewhisperer

    goosewhisperer Initiate (0) May 28, 2011 Colorado

    Stouts and Imperial Stouts are a favorable style for me because they hold a lot of the same flavors as chocolate and coffee. It is amazing that these flavors exist with actually adding these ingredients into the beer (although sometimes they do add these items).

    I would say get some fine chocolate, or a rich chocolate cake after a nice dinner. Instead of pouring a cup of coffee pour a nice stout (I suggest Stone IRS, Parabola, Rasputin, Yeti or Out of Bounds). The smells are almost as powerful as the taste, so don't rush to the drinking. Once you sip, watch how these flavors work together. Like a fine chocolate, Stouts sometimes have a bitterness to the sweet on the finish. Let the beer linger in your mouth and let the flavors open up as it warms in your mouth.

    Stouts may not be for you, but if you want to try and learn to enjoy them this may be a good route. Good luck.
     
  9. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Thanks for the recommendation.
     
  10. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Thanks for your answer. So time of year matters when it comes to stouts, huh? Is it typically considered a winter beer?
     
  11. deadonhisfeet

    deadonhisfeet Pooh-Bah (2,481) Apr 23, 2011 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    This. Aside from the occasional Guinness, I started my love affair with stouts by trying milk or ``sweet'' stouts. In addition to the beer mentioned above, since your profile says you're in Jersey, another milk stout you may be able to find is Southern Tier's 2X Stout.
     
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  12. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    I enjoy stouts year round, though they usually are more enjoyable in the winter.
     
  13. TheFlern

    TheFlern Initiate (0) May 9, 2009 Idaho

    I'd say that stouts are typically considered cold weather beers. The higher amount of alcohol and sugar make them less then easy to drink on a warm day. That is just me though. You might really enjoy a high OG/high ABV beer in the heat. I doubt that but it is possible. Its still spring though so check them out. I just wouldn't be surprised if its a hot day and you try a stout that the experience is less enjoyable than it would have been if it were colder outside.
     
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  14. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    I actually did try Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout once. And I definitely agree with you that it lacked the bitterness I find common to the style. Though I didn't dislike the beer, there was nothing that made me want to run and pick up another one of them. But it wasn't bad at all. Just nothing that I'd rave home about. (Though I realize it seems to be a popular stout.)
     
  15. BrownNut

    BrownNut Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Florida

    Try some English stouts. They tend to be milder and I think would be the entry level you're looking for. You can't go wrong with Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout or their Imperial Stout. The oatmeal is really easy (like grocery store easy) to find while the Imperial can be somewhat less easy to find. Neither has much of the roasty char flavor you can find in a lot of stouts. I'd try the oatmeal - malty, toasty, buttery, caramelly, oatmeal-slick and smooth. Can't go wrong. While I had acquired a sort of taste for Guinness way back, it was SSOS that really made me love the style and then I went from there.

    Another idea would be to try a really chocolatey chocolate stout. That way the focus is on the sweeter element, which is easier to get used to. Rogue makes a really nice one that's easy to find. It has a nice chocolate flavor with just a hint of that charry black malt.

    Moving on from there, a really great quality stout that's pretty mild and round and accessible is Sierra Nevada's stout. Make that your next step after an assisted intro from an English or a chocolate. If you like that, you can start venturing out further.
     
  16. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Great reply, Goose. Thanks.
     
  17. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    I have air conditioning.
     
  18. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Thanks, BrownNut. I have tried Young's Double Chocolate Stout and I believe I've also had Rogues. I too thought the chocolate would bring a sweeter element to it. However what I didn't like was the combination of chocolate and bitter or bittersweet. (For that reason, I tend not to like dark chocolate.) But thanks for an excellent reply.
     
  19. jl28r1

    jl28r1 Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2011 Texas

    I was going for entry level to get you started but if you want to jump right into the deep end of the pool, then you need to get yourself a Black Tuesday, a long straw and no plans for the next day! :sunglasses:
     
  20. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Yes, I believe I've seen ST's 2X Stout at my local beer store. They also have Samuel Smith, Young's, etc.
     
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