Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

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  1. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Maybe @spartan1979 has found the new moniker of US/German blends: Märican. Or is "Märrikan" more suitable???
     
  2. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    Oops!
     
  3. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Agreed, I find Polestar to be a solid example. ABV is a bit high at 5.5%, but that's ok. I always wonder about American versions of pilsners that aren't in that tight 4.9 to 5.1% range, and why they're higher.

    The bock was very tasty. A mix between a maibock and a doppelbock, leaning towards a doppelbock. Very sweet and an easy drinker for 7.1%. I would have preferred it a touch drier, but it didn't detract from it's drinkability. Paired very well with dinner, and I was sad to see the pint drained so quickly.
     
  4. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    This is something which I have wondered about also. My take on the higher than normal abv craft pilsners is that they don't want to run the risk of being percieved as thin-bodied, as well as provide a fuller body to match the hop profile of the beer.

    Then again high-abv versions of pilsner-style beers isn't a modern thing. In the late 1800s the Pripps brewery (Pripps was Sweden's answer to Budweiser as far as a mass-market brand) brewed a pilsner beer with a wort strenght of around 15% and an abv of 6.4% abv (in line with Swedish tastes at the time, which preferred sweeter and stronger beers).
     
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  5. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    On the other hand this was an outlier as far as Swedish brewed pilsner beer was concerned, since a Swedish analysis performed in 1880s and 1890s of 31 pilsner beers concluded that the average wort strenght as expressed in degrees plato was 11.9%, and the average alcohol by weight was 3.8% (4.75% abv). Among 17 "svensköl" (the old top fermented style of beer) analyzed, the average worth strenght in degrees plato was 12.3%, with an average alcohol content of 2.5% abw (3.1% abv). From the book Ölets historia i Sverige written by Harald Thunaeus (1968).

    In comparison, modern day Bitburger pilsner has a wort strenght of 11.3% plato, and an abv of 4.8%. Pilsner Urquell on the other hand has a wort strenght of 11.8% and an abv of 4.4% according to the Finnish Alko monopoly stores. With the average wort strenght for pilsner beer in Sweden in the 1880s-1890s being 11.9% I would assume that Pilsner Urquell has maintained a wort strenght of around 12 degrees plato since then, although the abv might have changed somewhat (seeing as how the standard beer in the Czech republic nowadays is 4.1% abv and 10 degrees plato).
     
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  6. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Sister-in-law brought some Troeginator down from PA. Pretty legit. Prost!
     
  7. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Glad you liked it, too. My only quibble was that it came off a bit alcoholic, but I'd put it up there as a pretty darn good dopplebock.
     
  8. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    As promised, here's Mahr's Kellerbier Ungespundes Hefetrüb.
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    Appearance: Nice dirty white head that dissipates relatively quickly. The color is as you see above, only a little more golden. I see absolutely no Trübheit (cloudiness) to se at all... I can see a decent amount protein haze at the end of the bottle, but not much Hefetrüb as my home-brews can be.

    Aroma: Very aromatic with lots of Pils malts, but it became less and less over a 10 minute period. At first impressive but strange that it waned.

    Flavor: The first taste in front is a little bitter but a also a decent amount of tartness. It's not sour but tart the way a lemon is, but without the lemon flavors and sourness. The middle has more bitterness. On the sides you get the first bit of sweetness of malts. It's very bready but tart at the same time. In the back it's the same, lots of bready, mainly caramel Münchner malt. If it weren't for the ever present tartness, which is even present in the aftertaste. It's a lot like a Märzen with sweet caramel, but there's also lots of bready Pils flavor, but what makes this beer unique is the overarching tartness that follows your taste buds from beginning to finish of your mouth. It's a wonderful complexity of flavor that no Pils, Märzen nor most Kellerbier has. The background also has a distinct yeastiness and perhaps a little dactyl. Is the tartness may come from leaving the bung off, allowing wild yeast to finish off the beer? That would also explain the dryness.

    Mouthfeel: Pretty thick, a little above average creamy thickness. It's not the thickest I've had but it's pretty close. Also, it's quite dry,... so thick and dry at the same time makes its feel like an even thicker mouthfeel.

    Overall, a very unique beer. a 4.8/5
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tony, I think that Mahr's Ungespundet-hefetrüb is a tasty beer from the bottle but IMHO this beer really shines on cask. I think that the cask delivery provides a soft texture that compliments the bready flavors and subtle yeasty flavors perfectly. I have had the opportunity to drink Mahr's Ungespundet-hefetrüb multiple times on cask and every one of those experiences was simply awesome.

    Hopefully you will have the opportunity to drink Mahr's Ungespundet-hefetrüb on cask in the near future.

    Happy New Year to you and Jennifer (and others)!

    Jack
     
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  10. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Not to be a dork about your reviews or this brew, but calling it a hefetrüb and looking as clear as a bell as it does (not sure how the bottom of the bottle looked) scores a fairly low score for appearance in my book.

    Carry on.
     
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  11. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I doubt I'll drink it on cask unless I go to Bamberg, which isn't in our plans for quite some time (been there, done that for the g/f). I didn't get any "soft" texture. It felt like any other Fränkische beer but drier and not as spritzig ("bubbly") as most Pils, which is where you might get a softer feel from. Nonetheless, the flavor is unique and complex, which makes it a wonderful beer.

    I thought about it that way at first, too. But like I said, it had a definite protein haze in the bottom of the bottle that didn't dissipate. In Germany, save Hefeweizen, beers that aren't totally clear as a bell are really rare and I think the "Hefetrüb" moniker connotes it's being unfiltered. My home-brews are also clear as a bell, though there is yeast-cake on the bottom of my bottles, for which I found zero evidence on the Mahr's Ungespundet. Hasn't Scott contact with the Mahrs family? Maybe he can clear this up.
     
  12. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Finally getting around to reviewing Kneitinger's Dunkel. I started with 6 bottles, now down to my last one, and damn they were great. Here's the beer in the bottle and glass:
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    I think I've had their entire lineup now, so here's to them: Prost Neujahr!

    Appearance: A vanilla, almost tan head of fine bubbles under a beer that's dark chestnut with some maroon, a hint of red and brown, not black - after all this is a Dunkel, not a Schwarzbier. Just looking at it, I imagine I'm viewing a liquid chocolate cake with white icing on top.

    Aroma: Lots and lots of roasted malts, licorice, dark candy sugar, some hint of sugared plums... altogether, wow.

    Flavor: Basically, similar to the aroma, but not as complex in the first sip.

    But on further intimate inspection, it reveals itself to be incredibly complex. In the front, you get a little tartness and faint bitterness but more a burnt flavor, yet not unpleasant; rather, it's more like the umami of blackened Cajun chicken with some sweet caramel thrown in.

    In the middle, here's the bitterness, finally, but again, not much. It's got that umami thing again, but less on the sides. The middle is the first tastes of a dab of licorice, and wow...roasted malts! It tastes like their main ingredients were geröstes Malz (roasted malt), Caramünchen III and/or Carafa III from Weyermann, and Chocolate malt, but I'm guessing that was a small percentage compared to the geröstes or the Cara malts.

    In the back, basically the same flavors, but here it's utterly dominated by the geröstes and cara malts. It's also got lost of caramel from a München malt, but only about half compared to a Märzen or other highly caramelized beers from Bayern. In the back, I get more, very strong burnt flavors, again in line with blackened chicken notes, very earthy but this gives the beer a bitter-sweet mix unlike a hoppy beer; rather, again, it gives it a complexity of roasted meat, without the meat flavors, and nothing at all like rauchmalz. I'm not sure any of you can imagine what I'm talking about, can you? Again, in the back, you get a hint of tartness, almost sour but not quite, so you get bittersweet and sweet and sour together.

    Aftertaste is all roasted and caramel malts,..lovely.

    Mouthfeel: thick, warm, typical Bayern feeling in beer. Wonderful and gemütlich.

    Overall: A WOW beer. It's not only got the roasted and caramel malts of other beers, its both bittersweet and sweet-and-sour, tart actually, not sour, all mixed together. The sweet, roasted malt are the core and predominate with a small surface of caramel. Yet they don't overwhelm due to the bitterness of the roasted and umami/burnt flavors weaving within them, giving them a structure to hang on. The bold flavors draw you to it, and make you sit up and notice this beer. The individual complexity is, however, what brings you back and back to see what else is inside, allowing this beer to keep it's interest over the full part of the mouth, and depending on where you guide the beer in on your tongue, you can experience different beers and at least aspects of it. Simply, as spartan1979 mentioned in his report on his trip in the fall of 2013, a WOW beer. One the best in the land.
     
  13. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    This and the Kneitinger Bock were the two biggest WOW beers of my trip. If I lived in Regensburg I'd be at the brauerei every night.

    Now I just have to figure out how to brew these at home.
     
  14. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Tell them what you told us, and then ask for the recipe, at least in %, then you can convert it, or at least I could do it for you in BrewSmith to whatever size you wish. I'm pretty sure if make them aware that you can't get this beer AT ALL in the states, you might have some luck. Since their website's bilingual, I'm sure there's someone who can read and translate an email you into English. If I wrote them, being that I'm in Germany, they might be less likely to spit out their trade secrets. Whaddya y'all think?
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    OR we can get Stahlsturm to go around and convince them.
     
  15. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    I'll may have to try that, although I like the @Stahlsturm idea better.

    After we returned from Germany in 2010 I wrote the chef at Schlüssel about the rosemary lamb I had there. He gave me the recipe (sort of). Unfortunately that was no longer on the menu this fall. Three years of waiting to try a dish again only to be out of luck. :slight_smile:
     
  16. jeebeel

    jeebeel Zealot (667) Jun 17, 2003 Texas

    Tony, great idea. I would also like the Dunkel recipe, or any others they will share.

    Spartan, I would be happy to translate your email if you like. PM it to me and I'll take care of it.

    BTW, I really enjoyed your 2013 trip report and pics. And love Kneitinger beer and Regensburg too.
     
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  17. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Since they don't make a Märzen, I was wondering if you actually supported Kneitinger with your hard-earned Euro. :wink:
     
  19. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    There is already some momentum for Miltenberg/Faust as the meet-up point, however I'm not opposed to two meet-ups! So long as I'm not expected to match you Maß for Maß.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “So long as I'm not expected to match you Maß for Maß.”

    MJT, maybe it is time to start some training? Maybe you could be the Rocky of Germany!?:slight_smile:

    Yo!
     
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