Aging in oil?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by WTKeene, Dec 30, 2013.

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  1. WTKeene

    WTKeene Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 New Mexico

    So I was able to trade for an 09 Lou Pepe Gueuze (bottled in 2011, best by date of 2031), and I decided to age this one long-term, and open it when I get married, or for some other significant life event within the next 5-10 years, whichever comes first. So I've stuck this in my Dad's cellar alongside his wine bottles, and this is the first beer I've tried to age long-term. I'm storing it upright, which I believe is the right way to store most beers, and it's dark in the cellar. These conditions have done well for the wine he's aged there in the past few decades, so I'm sure it will be good for the beer too.

    But because of the long-term nature of this aging, I was wondering if there were some special precautions I should take. I was talking to a friend with some experience in this, and he mentioned oil aging, in which I'd submerge the bottle in vegetable oil, which would 100% prevent oxidation, and ensure it would remain good for the 5-10 years I plan on aging this beer. I haven't been able to find any info about this method online or on these forums, does anyone have any experience aging beer this way? How well does it work? Is it markedly more successful than just aging it dry for that long? Would waxing the cap be sufficient?

    Please let me know, I want to make sure I don't let this beer go to waste.
     
  2. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I'm not sure that preventing all oxidation is an effective way to cellar beer. Oxidation is one of the chemical processes that contributes to the changing flavor profile that comes from cellaring; stopping it isn't necessarily going to lead to a better beer 5 or 10 years down the line. Sorry that doesn't really answer your question, but do keep in mind that leaving the bottle as-is will almost certainly not ruin the beer in 5-10 years.
     
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  3. kif

    kif Zealot (561) Jan 4, 2012 Illinois

    I had a Westy 12 from 1989 that wasnt cellared in anyway in particular. Tried it along side a new Westy 12 with a few people. The two beers tasted very different. The older was very chocolately. Most people actually preferred the older one. Some beers will age well for that long, some wont.

    I also had a Millennium Gueuze a few months back that was over 10 years old at the time. It aged just fine.
     
  4. Jtc2811

    Jtc2811 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    Opened a 2005 westy (maybe 2003, can't remember) last winter and it was to die for. No special aging, 2 yrs of the aging wasn't even cellar temps
     
  5. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Oil aging is only efficient if you age it in a vacuum chamber, or sand. Otherwise you're just wasting $5 worth of vegetable oil that you could be adding to brownie mix to have some bangin' brownies.

    What I do is take the vacuum chamber, and put the beer in it. Now, take your oil and sand and make a slurry out of it. The texture is important, you want it to be firm, yet yielding. Pour the slurry into the chamber, hook it up to the pump and suck all the air out of that bitch.

    You should just make brownies instead.
     
  6. Hugonaut13

    Hugonaut13 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2012 Illinois

    It's gueuze man... just let it age normally. It'll be fine.



    And make brownies.
     
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  7. WTKeene

    WTKeene Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 New Mexico

    So I'm being paranoid? Is humidity of the area important? Is the cork in any danger of drying out? We live on the coast, but there isn't any special precautions going on in that regard either.
     
  8. Hugonaut13

    Hugonaut13 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2012 Illinois

    Lay it on it's side. Cork won't dry out.
     
  9. Kbyfield

    Kbyfield Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2009 Wisconsin

    Your beer might be fine, but that oil is going to be pretty goddamn disgusting after a cpl years, let alone 5-10.
     
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  10. WTKeene

    WTKeene Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 New Mexico

    Yeah that's what I was thinking! I'd imagine I'd have to change it out every so often. Doesn't seem like it's necessary to do at all though, based on posts here.

    I had always understood that beers should be aged upright, regardless of whether they were corked or capped. Am I mistaken here? I'm still new to this, particularly when it comes to aging beers.
     
  11. Hugonaut13

    Hugonaut13 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2012 Illinois

    Lambic doesn't follow the same rules.

    Also, what are you trying to accomplish by aging it? Aging for the sake of aging?
     
  12. WTKeene

    WTKeene Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 New Mexico

    I'm aging it because this is a very special bottle of beer that I won't be able to come across again easily, and I know this is a style that I enjoy and that ages very well. I'm very interested in what a Gueuze can do flavor-wise with many years of age on it as the oldest I've tried so far is a 2011 Drie Fonteinen Oude Geuze (I do have a Golden Blend I'm opening very soon), and my eventual wedding seems like an appropriately special event on which to open the Lou Pepe.
     
  13. Hugonaut13

    Hugonaut13 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2012 Illinois

    Ok then. Lay your Gueuze down in a cool dark place and let it do it's thing.
     
  14. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Is this real life?
     
  15. 82300sd

    82300sd Aspirant (295) Dec 24, 2012 California

    sound ridiculous aging in oil, I wouldn't age in oil if it was a irreplaceable $500 bottle of beer
     
  16. Bigtwin

    Bigtwin Initiate (0) Sep 13, 2010 Michigan

    I'd say lay it on its side, and rotate the bottle 180 degrees every 6 months or so.
     
  17. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Just remember that if you open it on your wedding day, you'll have to share it :flushed:
     
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  18. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    WTF
     
  19. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Why is this?
     
  20. Hugonaut13

    Hugonaut13 Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2012 Illinois

    I'll let someone more intelligent in Chemistry explain this, as it has been explained to me before but I don't want to butcher it. Basically, store lambic in a cool dark place and on it's side to prevent the cork from drying out. Lambic has been found to be drinkable decades later with that method. Belgians have been storing it that way for over 100 years. Whether you do this though depends on what you want from your lambic. You may not get results that you find desirable.

    Most arguments about how beer should be stored is bullshit. No one really knows when it comes to AWA's, BA Stouts and Barleywines, and anything else that qualifies. There's not enough historical data to form facts. Whether you store on the side or upright still remains a matter of opinion. From personal experience, I've had aged BCBS that was on it's side and that aged upright and I didn't notice a difference. I'm not sure I'd want to age a capped AWA on it's side for a long time (not that I like aging AWA's much) due to acidic beer breaking down the cap. Corks on their side makes sense due to keeping the cork from drying out. One change in that though is anything that uses champagne yeast. That's been known to want to be stored upright otherwise the cork will end up leaking. Once again, let's get a chemist to explain that one.

    TL;DR If the Belgians have been storing a certain way for 100 years and it worked for them, no reason we shouldn't follow the same practice.
     
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