Dual Beer Styles - Which name do you use?

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,058) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    In the cases where BeerAdvocate uses a slash in a beer style, which of the two terms do you tend to use or favor?

    Examples:

    American Amber / Red Ale
    Scotch Ale / Wee Heavy
    Milk / Sweet Stout
    Saison / Farmhouse Ale
    American Double / Imperial Stout
    American Double / Imperial IPA
    Marzen / Oktoberfest
    California Common / Steam beer
    Foreign / Export Stout
    Maibock / Helles Bock
     
  2. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    double vs imperial: I like double with IPAs, and imperial with stouts. Partly because of the history, and partly because of some percieved aesthetic consistency in my mind.
     
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  3. vthippie

    vthippie Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2012 Vermont

    I use Imperial for both, mostly because I reject the notion of "triple" IPAs and feel like using double opens the door for triple.
     
  4. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,534) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Yeah same here.

    From a couple of the others on the list:

    I definitely use saison - farmhouse ale sounds twee to me
    I'm Scottish and hate both Scotch Ale and Wee Heavy!
     
  5. Jake1605

    Jake1605 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2009 Missouri

    How do you feel about Dubbels & Tripels? Comparatively speaking about the double/imperial.
     
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  6. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    When I finally start homebrewing I'm going to brew something, anything, and call it 'Double Imperial Beer'. I'll give it to some BMC drinker and open their minds.
     
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  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,058) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Or give it to some "craft drinker" and open their wallets.
     
  8. 071184

    071184 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2013 Texas

    Dubbels and Tripels are totally different styles of beer- they don't have double an ingredient (hops)/ abv as an imperial or double/triple IPA comparatively.
     
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  9. BILF

    BILF Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2010 Israel
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    Both, together.
     
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  10. geocool

    geocool Savant (1,209) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    Oktoberfest in October, Marzen the rest of the year. Obviously. :-)
    I think the term "Steam beer" is owned by Anchor, otherwise that's what everyone would use IMHO.
    I try not to talk about those at all. ;-)
     
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  11. utopiajane

    utopiajane Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2013 New York

    I recognize all of those but prefer them like this

    Red Ale
    Wee Heavy
    Sweet Stout
    Saison / Farmhouse Ale
    Imperial Stout
    Imperial IPA
    Oktoberfest
    Steam beer
    Foreign Stout
    Maibock
     
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  12. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,206) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    To me some of those are actually 2 styles they just lumped together for the sake of simplicity...which I agree with.
    For instance as time has passed, red ales seem to be turning more into the whole "red IPA" thing while ambers are typically very malt-focused or even faux-Maerzen beers using ale yeasts.

    Speaking of Maerzen, you can have a Maerzen that isn't an Oktoberfest...so those two are also different. Ditto with Dortmunder and Export lagers. Most German export lagers have nothing to do with Dortmund.
     
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  13. BurgeoningBrewhead

    BurgeoningBrewhead Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Red Ale
    Scotch Ale
    Milk Stout
    Saison
    American Imperial Stout
    American Double IPA
    Marzen / Oktoberfest (both interchangeably)
    Steam beer
    Foreign / Export Stout (don't see these much, not sure what I use)
    Maibock / Helles Bock (both interchangeably)
     
  14. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    What are the specific differences?
     
  15. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    Red Ale
    Scotch Ale
    Milk Stout
    Saison
    Imperial Stout
    Imperial IPA
    Oktoberfest
    Steam beer
    Export Stout
    Maibock
     
  16. jayrutgers

    jayrutgers Zealot (699) Oct 29, 2011 New Jersey

    Ones in bold sound better to me.
     
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  17. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,848) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Just to clarify a few things (because sometimes I get mixed up about this stuff)-

    Doesn't 'Export' just refer to strength, and not really style? Like Augustiner's Export is their Edelstoff, which is really just a 5.5% version of their Helles (and not, like you said, a Dortmunder). Essentially, the beer is just boosted by .5% to make more able it handle travelling.

    Oktoberfest is just a beer made for the festival. It can be any style, even a hefeweizen (like Erdinger).

    Maerzen refers to strength and process, and can be either pale or amber. Both are properly called Maerzen.
     
  18. Cozzatoad

    Cozzatoad Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2011 Italy

    Cascadian Dark Ale
     
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  19. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,282) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    The Amber/Red one drives me nuts. Drink a Fat Tire next to a Hop Head Red and try to tell yourself they're the same style. The "Double" for IPAs is another one. We've already got brewers making "Triple" IPAs, how long til we see "Quadruple", "Quintuple", and "Sextuple" IPA's? And, obviously, it's CDA, not American Black Ale.
     
  20. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,058) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I didn't realize that a pale Oktoberfestbier like Weihenstephaner's was a "marzen" in the same sense as the more ubiquitous coppery Oktoberfestbiers.
     
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