Is IPA still king?

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  1. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I wholeheartedly agree with this.
     
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Craft is 6.5% of the US beer market by volume (Brewers Association's definition and statistic) and IPA's make up around 19% of the "craft/specialty" segment (IRI data), so, yeah, under 2% of the total beer sales in the US.

    IPAs have only been the #1 beer style in the craft segment for a year or two, when it replaced "Pale Ale". Not a very long reign according to that unnamed "California brewery employee".
     
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  3. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I would still argue that's fairly one dimensional. Just because one tastes like mangos and the other tastes like grapefruit doesn't matter, they're both still fruit.

    The dominant flavors will still be those of an IPA.
     
  4. jaltland

    jaltland Pundit (828) Aug 13, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    About 5 years ago I started into crafts and DFH 60 min was one of the first IPAs I had. I grew out of them to stouts and porters. Now the IPA has taken on the moniker of "transition beer". "IPA" has become a pretty clever marketing tool. Acronyms are always intriguing since, at first, you don't know what it means. It's like a club you want to be a part of. Is it king of beers? That's debatable, considering that macro lagers are the best-selling beer out there. I think it's more of a round table situation and the IPA is having it's turn to speak.
     
  5. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    IPA is the most popular craft style and will remain so for a long time.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I would still argue that's fairly one dimensional. Just because one tastes like mangos and the other tastes like grapefruit doesn't matter, they're both still fruit.”

    Hops have way more hop flavors than fruit. The next time you drink a hoppy beer you should create your own ‘spider chart’. The minimum number of spokes you should select is 10: Floral, Fruity, Spicy, Piney, Citrus, Herbal, Grassy, Cheesy, Woodsy, Onion/Garlic.

    The other flavors worth considering are Earthy and Dank (Resinous).

    When you ‘fill out’ the spider chart indicate the level of intensity for the aforementioned flavors.

    Cheers!
     
  7. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    This sounds so geeky and fun.
     
  8. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I'd also l like to know what metric this guy is using as a basis for his claim. As Jesskidden already stated, it's the best selling craft style. And on Beeradvocate, 4 out of the top 10 beers are double IPAs. Does he have 2013's beer sales before anyone else?
     
  9. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I see the hype machine cranking up to boost barrel aged beers and sours/wilds. There's a little rust showing on the IPA crown.
     
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  10. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I don't think people love IPAs because "cheesy" and "woodsy" flavors really pop in their double IPAs. They're incredibly popular because they have strong tropical fruit flavors that are bold and noticeable due to the hops used in today's IPAs, and the dry hopping techniques. It doesn't need to be overly complicated.

    Let's not get caught up in trying to prove Heady Topper is as elegant as Rochefort 10. IPAs are the hamburgers of the beer world. Easy to love, easy to make.
     
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  11. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Fucking love a good cheesy IPA
     
  12. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    You mean like Bud American Ale knocked it out of the park for Ambers?
     
  13. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    The Craft Brewers Alliance [aka Red Hook, Widmer, and Kona] is not owned by AB-InBev. AB-InBev is a significant minority shareholder in CBA.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Cheesy is sort of an ‘off flavor’ which you sometimes get with older hops.

    Some folks like “woodsy”.

    The point is that every hop variety will provide more than just fruity flavors and when you brew an IPA with multiple hop varieties (e.g., Ithaca Flower Power) then the amount of flavor/aroma diversity is expanded.

    To put it simply, IPAs are not just one dimensional in flavor (e.g., fruity). They have a complexity of flavors and obtaining a ‘good’ mix of those flavors is not “easy to make”. You should try and homebrew a clone of Ithaca Flower Power and you will learn that lesson.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. NAPO

    NAPO Pundit (819) Jan 7, 2014 Massachusetts

    When I started to get into the craft beer scene, I thought Quads were on the top of the food chain. Man was I wrong.....Is all about IPA or DIPA.
     
  16. KOP_Beer_OUtlet

    KOP_Beer_OUtlet Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I have been seeing a growing number of customers asking for something other than IPA's. I have seen the interest in Pilseners, wheats, stouts, porters, and fruit based beers double.

    Some of those customers are regular craft beer drinkers who have been buying mostly IPA's. They are either looking to "switch it up a bit", expand their palates to become more knowledgeable, or initiate a significant other into the craft beer community. One or two (and I'm not making this up) have said that big, bitter beers are ruining their stomachs.

    But where I see the most interest in other styles is from people looking to get into craft beers but intimidated by the big, hoppy beers. Most of them know someone who is a beer lover and tried some their beers....which were IPA's.

    That being said...IPA's are still my top sellers and still my personal preferred style and always will be.
     
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  17. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
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    Budweiser is the king :wink:.
     
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  18. y2jrock60

    y2jrock60 Pundit (841) Dec 5, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Anyone who says IPAs are out of style is probably a Hipster, someone who is more concerned what other people think about their beverage choice than the actual flavor. I think IPAs are still one the styles topping the list, which is always getting better. Ranch IPA and Dirtwolf are two to name a few. New hop varietals and hop combinations are becoming endless. If anything IPAs are getting better.
     
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  19. Beergeeknut

    Beergeeknut Maven (1,354) Dec 14, 2003 Oregon
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    I like Ipa's and they are quite popular but if and or when breweries that brew them put them aside and start brewing other styles then there could be a drop off in popularity.
     
  20. busternuggz

    busternuggz Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 California

    They seemed pretty sincere. I'm not going to put the brewery's name out there, but they are new and they don't make a traditional IPA.
     
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