New bottle shop suggestions

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by msigona85, Jan 15, 2014.

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  1. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York

    I have been doing some initial planning and will probably be opening a craft beer store in the cny area. To differentiate myself from other local shops I wanted to provide more of a service to our customers. I really wanted to develop a system to put bmc drinkers on a path to find what they would enjoy in the craft beer world. One of my ideas was to offer a couple different mixed 6 packs of beers chosen by myself that would contain approachable beers that would touch on different flavors in the beer world. Have a option for complete beginners, a hop forward sixer, toasted/roasted malt sixers, and intro to belgians. Those are just some basics, obviously the options are endless. Basically develop a system that would give new craft beer explorers a taste of hops, darker malt flavors, and some belgian flavors in a way that wont scare them off. Possibly having the six pack come with a little sheet that they can describe the flavors they liked and what they didn't like about the selections, so I can suggest beers that would be appealing to them. What you would you beers would you suggest for these beginner craft beer sixers?
     
  2. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

    You're opening a Craft Beer Store and you're asking US for suggestions?
     
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  3. xShoWTeKx

    xShoWTeKx Pundit (994) Jan 21, 2013 South Carolina
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    One of the biggest things for me starting out into craft beer was simply the option of buying just 1 bottle out of a pack. Simply allowing the freedom for experimentation was huge, you don't have to commit $10 to a six pack of something you will hate.
     
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  4. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I understand your intentions, but to be honest, I usually look at store pre-mixed 6 packs very unfavorably. Just let me buy the ones I want and keep it simple. I can't imagine these putting "bmc drinkers on a path." Apologies for being blunt - I'm just trying to help.
     
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  5. Optifron

    Optifron Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2012 Minnesota

    Why would he not do some market research?

    If you think the mixed sixers for BMC drinkers might work, you could probably expand on that path. Red wine drinkers, white wine drinkers (belgians fill that transition well, peaty whiskey drinkers (same crowd is often into hop-heavy IPAs), etc.
     
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  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    My local store used to make up mixed packs of seasonals - German Oktoberfests, US Oktoberfests, winter warmers, Christmas, spring and summer beers of a common style, etc. While I would typically never buy "store made" mixed packs, that made sense to me because the beers are only going to be stocked for a couple of months, so it was an easy way to sample the current releases and go back and buy my favorites.
     
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  7. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York

    I have many ideas for what I want to do as far as these six packs, I'm just asking for suggestions and keeping an open mind. These are not designed for beer drinkers who know what styles they're looking for. These will be intended for the novice beer drinker who doesn't know where to start. I have spoke with people about this very issue. They wanted to find better beer but when walking into a beer store, they found themselves lost, intimidated, and didn't know where to start. Unfamiliar with the different styles, they ended up buying based on what packaging looked the coolest and were usually not happy with their purchase. There's a better way, these six packs will be for them.
     
  8. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York

    Are you suggesting all craft beer store owners shouldn't be able to learn anything from other experienced beer drinkers?
     
  9. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Have a well lit store with price signs you can see easily. Have fresh beer and don't let your customers go away without at least saying hello to them . Be as knowlegebale as you are but understand that most people have to try it for themselves and when people ask advice what they want is for you to say that the beer they have laready chosen and hold in their hands is good. Keep the bottles free from dust but understand that old beer tastes bad and no amount of cleaning will bring that customer back. Don't hide the special releases from the people who will walk in off the street. keep singles within reach by pricing reasonably. Favor locals.

    You can do it!
     
  10. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York

    Thanks, good thinking
     
  11. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York

    This is where my local bottle shops fail miserably and is exactly why I want to open a shop of my own.
     
  12. life_is_beautiful

    life_is_beautiful Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I think a lot of this could be mitigated through having an involved and knowledgeable staff. Having samplings can also sway customers. I've seen many a BMC drinker put down cases of their preferred beer for craft offerings after a few tastes. I feel your idea could be better served as a training tool and job aid for your employees. Pre-packaging limits your options and raises costs. You could offer a % off when someone fills a six.
     
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  13. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    I think the concept could go somewhere. But if people didn't know what style they were looking for wouldn't it still be an issue being stuck with 6 IPA's (or whatever) when you aren't sure if you like IPA's or not?
     
  14. DWheeler379

    DWheeler379 Zealot (747) Jun 15, 2012 Colorado

    Really like the idea!
    I think you could probably figure out some popular ones in each particular style that are fairly true to style. I'd also include some local and regional ones.

    Beginner: I just included easier beers that are different styles and included a few classics. Could sub a good IPA.
    -Brooklyn Lager or Blue Point Toasted Lager
    -Paulaner Natural Hefeweizen
    -Anchor Steam
    -Fat Tire or Bell's Amber
    -Sierra Nevada PA
    -Left Hand Milk Stout (or Nitro)

    Hop: Not sure of options in NY. I avoided DIPAs for beginners! but you could include a sweeter one.
    -GL Burning River PA (give idea of English style)
    -Sierra Nevada PA or Lagunitas New Dogtown PA
    -Oskar Blues Dale's PA
    -Dogfish Head 60-Minute IPA
    -Stone IPA
    -Bell's 2-Hearted

    Malt: I went across the range of darker beers.
    -Bell's Amber or Stone Levitation
    -NB Fat Tire (unless it's too popular and obvious), otherwise a good ESB like Left Hand Sawtooth Ale
    -Brooklyn Brown or Bell's Best Brown (seasonal though. Avery Ellie's Brown a 3rd)
    -Old Chub, Dirty Bastard, or Claymore Scotch ales
    -Porters - GL Edmund Fitzgerald, Bell's or Founders Porter
    -Stouts - Left Hand Milk Stout (or Nitro) - keeping it simple for beginners

    Belgian: I'd avoid sours probably for beginners. Could do a lambic though. This one is tough because of price points. I also listed true Belgians only, but you could sub U.S. versions, and one in most major categories. Major a 4-pack to keep costs lower?
    -Hoegaarden
    -Leffe Blonde
    -Duvel
    -Westmalle Tripel
    -Chimay Red
    -Rochefort 8
     
  15. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York

    The six packs wouldn't be limited to just one style at first. The first of the sixers would offer an arrangement of different flavors. Say the customers really enjoyed the american pale ale in the said sixer. At this point I could offer them an arrangement of stonger flavored pale ales or IPA's.
     
  16. msigona85

    msigona85 Zealot (504) Jun 16, 2008 New York


    Your lists are almost identical to mine.
     
  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    If this is the case... and there is also an existing consumer base for the beer you'd stock, I think utopiajane's suggestions would act as the differentiations you seek. Be careful not to focus too much on the consumer base that isn't there yet or the consumer base in transition.
     
  18. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    Some good ideas. I know from my experience if you are trying to introduce someone to beer that tastes like beer I would definatly start with well made lagers and belgian ales. One of the first (excluding a few Sam Adams) craft/micros I had was Great Lakes Burning River Pale Ale. I thought it was Lake Erie water with hops, and it scared me away from trying any Great Lakes brews for many years as well as any other APA or IPA. There is a huge jump from a Bud, Corona, Miller Lite, etc to a Boston Lager, Hoegaarden, or Fat Tire but the jump from adjuncts to a porter, stout, or IPA sends a lot of people running back. Great Lakes actually has the "tasting"12 pack that explains how to progress through them much like you are thinking.
     
  19. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    Great suggestions. I think my list would be nearly same. May add some Smithwick's/Guiness/Murphy's
     
  20. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I'm not suggesting all store owners shouldn't learn something but you've been on BA since 2008 and you're opening a store. You must know enough, right?
     
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