Mediocre Imports That Are Actually Great Freshly Squeezed

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  1. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    I know that many BAs are obsessed with the idea of freshness on domestic beers, especially concerning IPAs. However, freshness must significantly affect many beers. For instance, in the recent lively Pilsner thread, I noticed that many BAs really enjoy Pilsner Urquell, but swear that it is being underrated because it's only amazing when fresh.

    Can you think of any other beers (especially ones that are being imported from overseas) that are entirely mediocre where you live, but taste pretty great fresh?

    If my memory serves me right, Smithwicks and Guinness are both pretty good beers freshly squeezed, but I really cannot get behind them stateside. With Guinness, I know that there is even controversy about whether we are getting the same beer.
     
  2. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    From what I've heard, what we get in the states is brewed in Canada and is absolutely not the same beer. I'm unaware of a controversy, I've just been led to believe that it's a basic fact. I could be WAY off on that though.
     
  3. DWheeler379

    DWheeler379 Zealot (747) Jun 15, 2012 Colorado

    Pilsner Urquell
    Guinness
    Smithwick's
    Stella Artois
    Heineken
    Munich beers - still good in U.S. but not quite as good as in Munich
    I'm not into any particular English beers, so can't comment on them.

    All are amazing in country, on draft.

    The bottles of Belgian beers are pretty comparable since freshness doesn't matter as much and they're typically served in bottles in Belgium anyway.
     
  4. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    I've heard that, aside from being made in Canada, it's not even brewed the same way or to the same standards.
     
  5. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    So somewhere out there, there's a place where Heineken is a good beer?
     
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  6. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Do you guys think the rating process should account for the fact that these beers are so much better in their native lands?
     
  7. pthread1981

    pthread1981 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2007 Germany

    I honestly think this is a bit psychological. I moved to Europe and Heineken, Stella Artois and Becks still taste bad to me over here.
     
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  8. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Most UK beers.

    A lot of the less good examples are the ones that make it over to the US to begin with, and they're not on cask, and they're old.
     
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  9. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Grand Pooh-Bah (4,516) Oct 13, 2007 Wisconsin
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    Rating beer is like a "consumer reports". A few might feel that beers brewed on a different continent should be graded on a curve. However, that's not how I see it. I determine a beer from the way I taste it at a given moment, not whether if I tasted Duvel in California, Brazil, or Belgium (I've had Duvel in these places which are nowhere near each other). Likewise, a beer drinker in Amsterdam may have a different take on Titan IPA as somebody in Colorado would.

    True, some beers travel better than others, though if someone had never been to Bavaria, how would he/she know how much better Paulaner is at the source than the export bottled version?
     
  10. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Guinness in Kiev, Ukraine in 2001 = very bad. You could see through it.
     
  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Diageo markets number of Guinness stouts in the US - the keg, bottle and cans of "Draught" are brewed in Ireland as is the "Guinness Foreign Extra Stout" (and the now defunct "250th Anniversary").

    The Extra Stout is brewed under license in Canada, by Labatt or Moosehead in recent years (check the city listed on the label). Previously the US got both Canadian and Irish GES, but the latter disappeared about a decade ago.

    Smithwick's and Kilkenny are also brewed in Ireland for the US market. Harp is Canadian-brewed.

    US TTB labeling regulations make the country of origin of the beer pretty clear.

    A forum search will show it's a constant topic.
     
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  12. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    St. Pauli Girl is nice when fresh enough. I don't see it much without some age on it though.
     
  13. pthread1981

    pthread1981 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2007 Germany

    I don't think that'd count though, it's not sold here in Germany, only for export. Although I heard something of that changing, but still haven't seen it sold.
     
  14. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I see, I misunderstood the question a bit I guess.
     
  15. offthelevel_bytheplumb

    offthelevel_bytheplumb Maven (1,277) Aug 19, 2013 Illinois


    Here's a guy that believes that imports are much better fresh. The video begins to relate to this thread at about 1:15, but the whole video is worth watching in my opinion.
     
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  16. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I hadn't really experienced the effect that age could have on a beer until late last year, december I think, when I bought some cans of a Swedish macro lager beer, the first can I had had a muted taste, in a word it tasted stale, very different from what I remembered the beer tasting having had it a number of times before, and so I looked at the best before date and it was set to May of this year 2014, the other cans had a best before date set to the same month that I had bought the beers in, only a year ahead. Somehow I had picked up an old can along with some fresh cans, and the difference was like night and day. So I can imagine that if you get an import which has sat on the shelf for several months, that it wont be as fresh tasting as it would have been when it was one month old, or two months old.
     
  17. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    I DID enjoy the video - even though only 10 secs of its related to the thread
     
  18. offthelevel_bytheplumb

    offthelevel_bytheplumb Maven (1,277) Aug 19, 2013 Illinois

    If I knew how to shorten the video for the sake of the thread, I would have. Glad you dug the whole thing though!
     
  19. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    The Guiness I had at the Hethrow London Airport Hotel was waayyy better than the numerous Guinesses I've tried state side both on tap and bottled. I know this has been discussed many times on the forums, so I'm sorry I commented again on that.

    I had numerous local cask ales in local pubs around SE UK and they were all fairly mediocre beers (and looking at BA reviews they were rated mediocre so I just had bad luck on where I was at and what was offerred I guess).
     
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