Fly sparging or Batch sparging?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by CDennyRun, Mar 5, 2014.

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  1. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    Is there a real benefit for fly sparging over batch sparging?

    I'm new to all grain, and have heard arguments either way. What's your opinion?

    Regards,

    Chris
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Batch sparging works fine and requires less equipment, but yields a little less efficiency usually.
     
  3. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    Thanks Green. I''ll give it the extra effort, if it makes a better beer.
     
  4. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I batch sparge because it is easier and cheaper from a setup cost. I think How to Brew has some basic calculations that suggests that the lower efficiency of batch sparging will require ~1 extra pound for an average 5 gallon batch. So you save money in the setup and time each brew day with an added cost of $1-2 per batch. Or something like that :slight_smile:
     
  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Better, probably not. More efficiency if you know what your doing is possible. Efficiency doesn't mean better beer.

    I batch sparge, hit my numbers consistently, faster, without any extra issues or equipment. It's all preference really. Trying to get the highest efficiency isn't on my radar, as I don't think it helps anything, and adding #1 extra pound of base malt, at .96 cents a pound isn't going to kill me.
     
  6. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    FWIW, some people think they get better beer with 70% efficiency vs. 85% efficiency. Not to mention, you don't have to worry about ph levels and tannins as much with batch sparging vs. fly sparging. Don't assume more complicated/expensive makes better beer at the home brew level.
     
  7. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    Thanks guys! I really appreciate your opinions. I'm very new to all grain, so this helps much. I suppose I should try both and do what makes sense to me. Any other opinions would be a great help.

    Regards,

    Chris
     
  8. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Batch is more better b/c it's easier...quicker...and simply simpler than doing it on the fly.
    Any loss of extract or brewhouse efficiency is trivial.
     
  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Has anyone timed batch vs fly?

    The critical path may be how fast you can bring the wort to boil, not sparge time.

    I might run some tests as I am assembling a 70 qt. Coleman extreme cooler with the hose braid. Then I can time the different parts of the process. Might do 5 vs 10 gallon batches, as burner BTUs will have an influence on how fast you heat different sized batches.
     
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  10. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Keep it simple, make your brew day safe sort and pleasant.
     
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  11. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I fly sparge. Not only has my efficiency gone up, I feel my consistency has as well. That said, I've made quite a few adjustments to my process pretty much simultaneously, so I can't say that I can contribute it solely to my sparge method.
     
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  12. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    No quibble about time to boil b/c contrary to popular belief...what's important is the destination...not the journey.

    Not a fly on the wall or anywhere else for that matter; however...CW sez allow up to 90" for sparging. A double-batch sparge takes no more than 1/3 the time. My brew day is long enough without going long for a few extra gravity points.
     
  13. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    Judging by the amount of steps added, I'm wiling to bet it'll add at least a half hour to a five gallon batch. (Just a guess)
     
  14. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    There are pros and cons to each, both work and both can make world class beer or total garbage.

    Batch sparging is more ideal with the flow dynamics of a shorter wider mash tun, whereas fly sparging is more ideal with the flow dynamics of a taller narrower tun, but plenty of people do the exact opposite with success.

    Anyone who tells you that one method is universally better than the other has no idea what they're talking about, the bottom line is that it's simply a matter of preference.
     
  15. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    Very key! Thanks for the reminder

    Regards,

    Chris
     
  16. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington


    Thanks! HomeBrew42. Noted!
     
  17. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    WHAT?!? Where do people come up with this stuff?
     
  18. IPeteA91

    IPeteA91 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2012 Texas

    I just tried fly sparge, it produced a less turbid wort than my previous batch setup.
     
  19. Dan114

    Dan114 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    I fly sparge because I happened to learn with a guy who fly sparged. Come to think of it I'm not sure i know how to batch sparge
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Believe he's talking about the pH of the runnings. Toward the end of a fly sparge, the pH of the wort running off (and thus the potential for tannin extraction) will be higher than the ph of batch sparge runnings, which tend to not vary from the beginning to the end of the runoff. (This all assumes sparge water that has not been acidified to match the pH of the mash, and whose pH is higher than the pH of the mash.)
     
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