Letting a beer get too cold

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by ChristopherShain, Mar 13, 2014.

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  1. ChristopherShain

    ChristopherShain Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2014 Michigan

    I just cracked open a beauty. Its a shipwreck porter from Artisan Ales. Its a bourbon barrel aged porter. I put it in the freezer to let it get a little chilled and let it sit in there for too long. I poured it into the glass and took a sip. It had a little sour taste to it. I let the glass sit for about 15-20 minutes and warm up a bit. The sour taste seem to fade away as it got warm and developed a more refreshing boozy taste. Has anyone experience this or have any reasoning why? I am assuming its because it was too cold, but this is just a guess.
     
  2. Vitacca

    Vitacca Pooh-Bah (2,250) Sep 15, 2010 Montana
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    Next time try the real one from Arcadia. The knock offs are terrible.
     
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  3. DelMontiac

    DelMontiac Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 Oklahoma

    Freezing your taste buds kills your ability to pick up the good intended flavors of beer. I shoot for 45-55F for most beers, but the darker the beer the warmer I like it.
     
  4. norcalhophead

    norcalhophead Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Wisconsin

    I feel a serving temp around 50 degrees is the optimum for almost all craft beers
     
  5. ChristopherShain

    ChristopherShain Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2014 Michigan

    of course i shoot for this as well, i was messing around with my daughter and timed slipped away. im just trying to figure out why it would go from tasting sour to tasting boozy. its weird.
     
  6. DelMontiac

    DelMontiac Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 Oklahoma

    Thermostat in my beer fridge went nuts two weeks ago and fell below freezing. Out of two cases of beer, the only beer that froze was some Prairie Birra, one of which blew out the bottom of the bottle. Birra is only 4.2% abv. All the other beer was 6.8% or higher.
     
  7. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Lots of good replies here, none of which address what you are asking.

    No, getting the beer too cold did not make the beer sour.
     
  8. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    I'm with everyone else saying beers on the warmer side tend to be a better experience. Except on a hot day when you just need that slightly too cold Pils or Kolsch :slight_smile:
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'm going to take a shot in the dark here, but if it was sour when cold, then it should have also been sour when warmer. So I'm guessing that at the colder temp that the bitterness from the hops or from the roasted grain were more prominent which you interpreted as sour rather than bitter, and then the malt and the bourbon showed up when the beer was warmer. There have been no reports that I've hear of Shipwreck Porter going bad and becoming sour.
     
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  10. doppletheGOAT

    doppletheGOAT Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2012 Texas

    In my opinion, it's NOT a good idea to put high quality beer into a freezer. The harsh coldness of freezer temperatures can damage the hops and malts in the beer and change the way it tastes.
     
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  11. BH712

    BH712 Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2014 District of Columbia

    That bottle could have just been soured regardless of the temp. Shit happens.

    That said, there is no reason to ever put something in the freezer to chill it quickly. Especially a can or bottle.
    A) More likely than not you will experience the exact situation that the OP described - forgetting about it.
    B) IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. Come on people, this is high school physics. Putting something in the freezer does not chill it more quickly, it just makes it colder over time.

    The proper way to quickly chill a drink is to stick the bottle in ice water, since water is a better conductor of energy than air.
     
  12. zstef99

    zstef99 Initiate (0) Dec 25, 2008 New York

    According to my personal experience (and the research I just did) temperature difference does affect the rate of heat transfer. Scroll down a bit to see the graph on this page. The line(s) would be straight if the heat transferred at a constant rate regardless of temperature difference.

    http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/thermalP/u18l1f.cfm

    And another explanation:

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns...cool-faster-in-the-freezer-than-in-the-fridge

    Mythbusters also addressed this on one of their episodes. After five minutes, a refrigerator cooled a room temperature beer to 60 degrees, and a freezer cooled it to 55 degrees.

    http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/03/mythbusters_cooling_a_sixpack.html

    And to address the OP, I too have noticed some beers (especially sweeter/maltier ones such as stouts) taste a bit sour to me when they're too cold. I'm sure it's just the way our taste buds are perceiving the flavors due to the cold temperature rather than any change the beer goes through as a result of becoming too cold.
     
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  13. BH712

    BH712 Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2014 District of Columbia

    Fair enough, I stand corrected. But the Mythbusters experiment shows that ice water is still much more effective, plus people still tend to forget things they put in the freezer.
     
  14. zstef99

    zstef99 Initiate (0) Dec 25, 2008 New York

    Absolutely. I stick with the freezer for a quick chill since it's so convenient though. And I never (ok maybe very, very rarely) forget a beer :slight_smile:
     
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  15. lookrider

    lookrider Savant (1,208) Apr 22, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I have noticed with sours that the sourness seems more pronounced when the beer is colder and as it warms, other flavors come out more.
     
  16. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Another voice from the peanut gallery: Even a decade old basic cell phone has an alarm function... Use it! Think of the poor beer you might hurt!

    Genius Thought: Someone could totally make a smart phone app for this "problem"... 1) User puts the beer in their freezer and starts the app. 2) The app starts a timed countdown of how long it takes to chill the beer. 3) Catchy notification sounds when timer is up. 4) App creator becomes a millionaire. Whoever does this can thank me by sending me a beer someday. :grinning:
     
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  17. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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  18. PaulyB83

    PaulyB83 Maven (1,399) Sep 1, 2013 Michigan

    Bumping this as the title was the same I was gonna use. I've noticed when I get a beer too cold that when I pour it there is no carbonation and hardly any head. I just now poured from a bomber IPA I had in the freezer a tad too long, didn't slush up or anything, but on the initial pour the beer was real flat. I poured the last part of the bomber about 45 minutes later after warming up and it poured with like a normally carbonated beer. I'm guessing this has something to do with temperature and CO2 absorption or something like that?
     
  19. GameOfBeers

    GameOfBeers Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Pennsylvania

  20. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    Beer too cold- first world problems.
     
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