Thoughts On Lagers Not Being Synonymous With Craft

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  1. Ilovelampandbeer

    Ilovelampandbeer Pooh-Bah (1,719) Aug 25, 2013 New York
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    i personally love a good craft lager (and there are craft breweries who share the same feeling, jacks abby for example)...they are an awesome change of pace for me but, for the most part, i notice the ratio between ales and lagers that craft breweries produce are severely one sided....my question is why is this the case? and do you see lager styles ever being the next group of styles that the craft breweries get into heavily?
     
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  2. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    One reason is that they take a ton of time to produce. Ales can be fermented and packaged in 1-2 weeks, but lagers take much longer to ferment and condition. Tanks are expensive, so if a lager takes twice as long, that's twice as many tanks you need to have for the same production.
     
  3. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I think it comes down to two things:

    1. Lagers are synonymous with macro beers. Craft beer started as a rebellion against all things fizzy, yellow, and tasteless. Our current movement of bigger, badder, faster, more seems to be a direct result of that. Plus, it doesn't take much of a search to realize that even a fair number of beer geeks seem to think lagers are all either BMC or some mishmash of BMC, Heieneken, Corona, and (if we're lucky) Pilsner Urquell.

    2. Lagers take longer to turn around and are easier to screw up.
     
  4. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    This. /end thread :slight_smile:
     
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  5. michman

    michman Pundit (751) Oct 14, 2005 Illinois

    between the time and cost (time=$) plus they are way easier to screw up. or more appropriately ales are easier to mask bad beer w shit ton of hops these days...
     
  6. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I think the advent of the "IPL" is showing this… whether or not it actually mirrors the characters of IPA, it may be a sign that brewers are trying to jump-start some seriousness for lagers.
     
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  7. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I suppose it's only logical that home brewers turned commercial brewers would focus on brewing ales, since I would imagine that a majority of the output of home brewers is top fermented in some shape or form. Combined with the other factors mentioned already I think this explains a large part of it.
     
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  8. Ilovelampandbeer

    Ilovelampandbeer Pooh-Bah (1,719) Aug 25, 2013 New York
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    yea i see what u mean about the lager=macro...it just sucks that macro breweries shit on the reputations of these styles though, bc if a style takes longer and a lot more can go wrong, it would seem to me that these style should be respected way more than they are
     
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  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    One of the top two best-selling craft beers is a lager - Samuel Adams Boston Lager, which alone accounts for roughly 5% of all craft beer sales.
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    This true to a point, but many of the top Homebrewers I know make a fair amount of lagers. Making a high quality lagers is more challenging, because your process has to be dialed in, nothing to hide behind.right now my lager to ale production is equal.
     
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  11. Ilovelampandbeer

    Ilovelampandbeer Pooh-Bah (1,719) Aug 25, 2013 New York
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    thats true but i still think that even you would agree that even if boston lager accounted for 15 pct of the market, most people dont consider the lager as a well represented area in craft
     
  12. doppletheGOAT

    doppletheGOAT Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2012 Texas

    When it comes to craft, I don't exclude Lagers. However, when I choose a lager, it is usually a German import. The Germans have had enough practice with making this style, they know what to do. I consider some of them to be the best beers in the world.
     
  13. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Good to see lagers getting more focus. Would just be nice if some of them tasted like lager, rather than an IPA.
     
  14. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I think Anchor's California Lager is truly top notch, have you tried it?
     
  15. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    I love lagers. Gimme a nice Dopplebock and I'm good.

    We need more Anchor Steams in this world as well
     
  16. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    I haven't, but since it has a fairly average (3.68) rating I imagine it must be a good example of a lager. :grinning:
     
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  17. digita7693

    digita7693 Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2010 Germany

    You can cover a bunch of flaws in a beer with hops and/or sugar etc...
    Making quality lagers takes extreme talent imo, and there are some breweries who are nailing it: Heater Allen, Upright, The Commons, not to mention myriad German breweries:slight_smile:... I liken it to making a good espresso; it takes talent and good beans, but any monkey can cover up a bad espresso w sugar, syrup and milk.

    Ive had a few Jacks Abby beers, good stuff, but I do not see the IPL as a pilsner at all. It is an ipa that happens to use lager yeast.
     
  18. Kanger

    Kanger Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2013 New York

    Brooklyn Lager will always be a standard for me.
     
  19. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Why is it the case? Lagers don't have enough "flavor" for the majority of BAs, so they don't waste valuable ticks on them. (Kinda ironic when you think of it, since lagers are more about actually showcasing the brewers' craft than about showcasing new and exotic flavors.)

    Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned -- given the recent spectacle of things like Hunahpu's Day and the beer trader scene in general -- I hope it stays this way.
     
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  20. Harnkus

    Harnkus Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 New York

    I consider myself a beer drinker moreso than I do a "craft beer drinker", and as such, you will find a nice balance of lagers and ales in my fridge. No shortage of imports either.
     
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