Regional Rating Bias

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by N17shelfside, Mar 31, 2014.

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  1. N17shelfside

    N17shelfside Initiate (0) Jun 26, 2013 California

    I live in San Diego and I just took a road trip to PDX during which I of course picked up a lot of beer that I have a hard time getting in SD. One thing that I noticed when I was shopping and using BA for guidance was that it seems that IMO Oregon beers are undervalued compared to a lot of the SD beers making it hard to decide what to get. I was looking to pick up a lot of pale ale/everyday beers but so many that I saw had pretty mediocre ratings. I tried a fair number of beers and thought most of them were as good as what I might get in SD. A good example of the SD bump might be something like Alpine's Hoppy Birthday. Great beer, but if it had more ratings it would be a top 15 beer, which is probably a bit of an overstatement of its quality. One of my favorites, but not THAT good.

    Anyone else sense this is the case as well?
     
  2. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Reverse-homerism eh Op? A rare breed.

    In the NYC area, I don't think homerism is a major issue. Yet.
     
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  3. zestd

    zestd Savant (1,071) Jan 18, 2013 Idaho

    It's kind of why locals almost try to downplay Hop Venom and Notorious. While other regions maintain their brews are made of virgin tears and rainbows, the PNW tries to keep it lowkey. Love it.
     
  4. Ilovelampandbeer

    Ilovelampandbeer Pooh-Bah (1,719) Aug 25, 2013 New York
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    I make a point to not overrate local beers...i also make a point to not overrate hyped beers

    Sometimes u gotta give credit where credit is due, though :slight_smile:
     
  5. Kahless

    Kahless Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Kansas

    I only notice this in my own ratings/opinions with respect to IPAs. I've noticed that I typically enjoy local IPAs the most, and I can't help but think that it's a freshness issue.

    EDIT: And obviously I don't live in IPA country...
     
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  6. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    Have no idea what the OP is talking about. Oregon beers are very mediocre, borderline shitty... Other parts of the country have it much better with much better beer. Don't come here.
     
  7. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I don't think its so much homerism local bias (but there is some of that) as a few of the following factors:
    1) huge population in SO CAL inflating many California beers on the ratings and board promotin
    2) only having access to regional beers (more of this for a lot of Midwesterners)
    3) freshness factor of local/regional beers over those beers traveling further (anywhere).
     
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  8. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I definitely am harder on my locals and regionals.
     
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  9. tylerstravis

    tylerstravis Pooh-Bah (2,487) Feb 14, 2014 Colorado
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    I conquer with everything said here. I just moved to Denver from Portland after 12 years. The beers there are rated lower than they should be and I am probably guilty of that. Having grown so accustom of the beers there I took them for granted and I was harder on Local beers.

    Also living in Portland you have to compare amazing beers to other amazing beers. I don't think you get that in too many parts of the world.
     
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  10. Kahless

    Kahless Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Kansas

    Good to know that you're finding success conquering with words. As they say, the pen is mightier than the sword!
     
  11. tylerstravis

    tylerstravis Pooh-Bah (2,487) Feb 14, 2014 Colorado
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    God Dammit! I concur :slight_smile:
     
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  12. Mightykingmalard

    Mightykingmalard Crusader (462) Dec 20, 2013 California
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    Lol. My thoughts exactly.
     
  13. Andrew041180

    Andrew041180 Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    If what you say is true, then breweries with large local BA populations would tend to do better in the rankings. I live in Boston, which is most likely such a location. I can't say that I am witnessing a significant gap between how I would rate the beer and how BA rates the beer. I have deviations like anyone would, but I don't see this as a pervasive trend.
     
  14. N17shelfside

    N17shelfside Initiate (0) Jun 26, 2013 California

    Don't get me wrong, I love my SD/SoCal beer, it is just interesting that the Oregon stuff isn't playing a bigger role on the charts. SD has more good beer than I can buy/drink, but that doesn't mean Oregon people shouldn't be doing the same. Example might be Breakside brewery that has evidently been around awhile, but not reviewed much so hard to judge what to get when just bottle-shopping. The bear is great though.
     
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  15. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    How about breweries inflating their own quality? Let's see... THE BRUERY? When you have a Reserve Society AND a Hoarder's Society, and make those releases around $40... yes, I believe that brewery is greatly influencing their own ratings. And honestly, it's brilliant, and it clearly works. I think The Bruery makes some great stuff, and I've had most of their "big beers." But no one is going to convince me that they're worth literally twice as much as other big-name stouts and sours.
     
  16. Acropora

    Acropora Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2013 California


    I think Grey Monday holds it worth well against two Parabola.

    I haven't ventured too far outside of California but when it comes to sours, I think California has some of the best and I don't think the ratings are overrated. I'll take most Bruery or RR sours over most Cascade sours. I honestly do think they're better. Does that make me a homer?
     
  17. Rbroccoli

    Rbroccoli Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2013 Alabama

    In my opinion, it's because a local brewer is typically in touch with the styles and qualities that are popular within its region. In Alabama, we tend to favor Straight to Ale and Good People not simply because they're local, but being in the same community of craft beer drinkers, their styles tend to reflect the preferences popular within the local area.
     
  18. HRamz3

    HRamz3 Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2010 Pitcairn

    I think this also plays out in Florida with CCB.
     
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  19. maDUECEgunner

    maDUECEgunner Initiate (0) May 23, 2013 Minnesota

    I enjoy reviewing locals because there is no hype factor involved.

    One of the best IPAs I have ever had was from a small local brewery. 6 hours from the hops being picked to it being in the kettle. Cascade and Centennial hops with it being cascade dry hopped. And I had it the day it was released. The cask version was even more amazing.
     
  20. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    Not necessarily, but that's not really the point I was trying to make. I'm just saying that The Bruery artificially influences their own perceived quality by pricing their beers so high. If you look at a trade and see Black Tuesday trading for two of another world-class beer, it's really because two of the other beer is required to make up the $4$. But to a lot of people... they just see that everyone is willing to give up all kinds of quantity for one Bruery bottle. I think it has a pretty significant effect.
     
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