worth posting "bad trader" thread?

I would link this thread in your profile, that way if anyone questions the middling review they can read the whole story.

 

this works better when you tag them :-)

 

Fixed that along with the earlier one.

Leaving this open (for now) to allow them to respond with their side.

As noted above, trading is undertaken at your own risk. We're not here to adjudicate one way or the other, much as some would like us to do so.

@mklisz, you can link to this thread if anyone askes you about the feedback you received. It's my intent to lock it at the proper time, but leave it up for future reference.

 

The long term use of Bad Trader to denote a thief was more specific to the "bad trader list" that no longer exists. People were still called out for exchanging addresses and backing out, standing people up for IP trades, etc although it does seem much more prevalent today. We all know the ups and downs of the trader feedback but what would be your suggestion for people who constantly back out of trades, try to change the trade after agreeing upon it, etc?

You think we should just let it go and eventually the guy will be known for being a tool without anyone saying anything? Doubtful. With hundreds/thousands of new people trading beer every year the guy could go on and on. I just don't think its healthy for the community and for new people to adopt the mindset that its ok to pull that kind of shit because no one will say anything.

What's the purpose of an ISO if the trader isn't going to stick to it? Auction style ISO's are banned for a reason. Essentially changing the trade after agreeing upon the ISO to maximize value is an auction. IE. I post FT: Cable Car ISO: Black Note X 4. When my inbox blows up I tell a few people I have better offers, what can they add. This could go on and on and it shouldn't. People should be held accountable for sticking to the trade or it will just get worse IMO. Which I believe it already has.

 

I have another long answer to this, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I value the clear-cut notion of bad trader = thief. Others want to expand that definition & watch the inevitable mud-wrestling that follows. I think that's a slippery slope.

Now, if you'll excuse me, this BA Framinghammer is whispering my name.

 

Lol, understood.

 

I guess to sum it up IMO, does it hurt anything if someone is called out for not upholding their end of the bargain or trying to change the trade after agreeing upon it? Not that I'm aware of, in fact most people seem to be appreciative. Like a ridiculous ISO, no need to comment, just move on if you don't want to know who the trader is that will screw you over for something other then what was agreed upon. It's nice for me because if I search that BA's name before I trade with him, the thread will show up.

Rarely does it ever turn it into a "he said" scenario because the "guilty" hardly ever come in to defend themselves, they know what they did was shitty. Oh well, this could go on and on but I don't see the harm in it.

 

Agree with cfh64. Bad trader....and bad man. Berry,berry bad man!

 

That guy messaged me on my one and only ISO (so far), and then got short with me when it turned out he contacted the wrong person (or just misunderstood the offer, I have no idea). I can't speak to his trading reputation, but his communication leaves a little to be desired.

 

I can see where there is so much grey in this..bad trader to me..JMO...What would you consider an IP trade where i drive 2 hours to do it and guy never shows up? Hey, I lost nothing but time...but that is a bad trader and always been a bad trader since ive been on this site....Just sayin

 

I dealt with NHbeerfishing about 2 weeks ago. We had agreed upon a trade at which point he changed the deal. Originally he was going to trade me certain bottles he had, but then he stated he was going to HF and would be willing to trade the new releases to me. So we agreed on another trade which involved the new HF releases. The day before he was supposed to make a trip to HF he messaged me to say that he felt the bottles he was trading were more rare than the bottles he wanted from me and that he would either need to trade me less of his or I would have to throw in more stuff to make it worth his while. We agreed on a new version of the trade and he stated that he would let me know when he had the bottles in and hand and would then ship the next day. This would have been last Wednesday 3/26 when he would go to HF and would ship on 3/27.
He messaged me after 12AM on 3/27 to tell me that he picked up the bottles but would not be shipping because he felt that his bottles were worth even more now that he had them in hand and that he was no longer interested in my bottles as they were not rare enough.

So basically we agreed to 3 or 4 different trades and he kept changing them because his bottles were to good to trade for mine.
Not exactly sure how that is because I was offering him all but 1 of the bottles on his ISO from his original post.

So IMO he is a bad trader or something similar to it

 

No grey anywhere to me.

Honor your commitments, end of discussion.

 

This is the epitome of everything that is wrong with trading today. Thanks for posting this so we can avoid this guy. In the long run his style of trading is his loss, instead of trying to maximize every last ounce of beer, he would be better served with making solid trades and making great trading partners/friends.

 

When trades were agreed upon did you start a formal trade request through BA? If so and he backed out, then negative feedback is warranted. Trade is agreed upon, you never got your beer, this makes him a bad trader.

 

@NHbeerfishing - step in and defend yourself.

 

Interested to hear what he has to say, but there really is no way to defend the kind of hostage-taking mentality he approaches trading with. Asking people to change the deals he's agreed to over and over might be the textbook definition of "dick move"

 

I did not initiate a formal trade request as I forgot about the whole process till after it fell thru. My bad on that side of it

 

Didn't see this message because the poster was blocked. We had no second trade set up and I told him that Id bring Beer back from Hill Farmstead for him without trading anything, just a straight mule. I took an additional swing through line that was over an hour wait(as you all know) just to make sure he had his growlers. I only got a few bottles of BGAE because of limit and said that I didn't want to just pass one of those on and would be trading them. He began to attack me on messenger so my reply was "This isn't going to work" and immediately blocked him on all media. If someone is going to act like that they can mule their own beer. Its just insane.

A far as BGsWo22, I got a ton of PM regarding trades. If we haven't set anything up and accepted a trade request its just trade discussions and Im not sending anything until the trade is accepted. The trade system is simple...Request trade, accept trade, ship. Pretty much end of story.

 

Didn't realize that the only way to conduct a trade was using the trade request part of this website that has only be on here for about 6 months.
I have been trading on here for well over a year and completed over 100 trades with many different people and when we agreed to trade certain beer for certain beer that was considered an agreed upon trade. Both people then shipped the agreed upon bottles to each other.
Those situation were not a trade discussions as you have termed them because the request system wasn't used.

I am pretty sure many members of this site do not use the trade request system and are still using the system I described to conduct trades on a daily basis as that is how the system worked before the new part of the site existed.