Why do some brewers still use green or clear bottles?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Ohiolager, Apr 10, 2014.

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  1. Ohiolager

    Ohiolager Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Ohio

    why do some brewers still use green or clear bottles? i understand that green bottles were cheaper in the past. however now days how much more expensive can brown bottles be? Name one beer cooler you walked into and it was dark. green and clear bottles let in so much light, and will skunk the beer. unless you buy a green or clear bottle beer in a sealed 12 pack. i just don't get it. a great example is St. Pauli Girl. a completely different beer if you buy a 12 pack. zero skunk. it just makes no sense to me to put any beer, adjunct or not in a clear or green bottle.
     
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  2. CalgaryFMC

    CalgaryFMC Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2013 Canada (AB)

    There is still the perception that green = import, which is a selling point for drinkers who wish to rise above the usual domestic adjunct lagers. Its pure marketing.
     
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  3. Ohiolager

    Ohiolager Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Ohio

    A good and simple answer that makes a lot of sense. Since most German imports do have green bottles. heineken, hofbrau, st. pauli girl to name just a few. however weihenstephaner uses brown bottles. for adjunct brews that need help selling you are on point with your answer. But most German brews have noble hops. Why ruin a noble hop brew with a green bottle? I cant see heineken changing from the trademark green bottles. but why? i buy a brew for its taste, not the bottle its in. So for green bottle brews i like i will always buy them in a sealed 12 pack.
     
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  4. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    pure marketing and im sure clear bottles are more cost effective than brown.
     
  5. CalgaryFMC

    CalgaryFMC Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2013 Canada (AB)

    I might be going out on a limb here, but I read somewhere (a brewing text but I forget which one) that North American palates may in fact have associated some degree of skunk with "import quality", which to me reads "they actually like skunk". I think any beer geek who has tasted more than 10 brews knows better, but without a broad frame of reference regarding what good beer actually tastes like, I could see how people might actually acquire a taste for skunk if they associated this flavor with a well-known brew like Heineken, time and again. It could be an intentional move aimed at developing a certain flavor at this point as well as a marketing tool. Additionally, I think you are bang on when you say that there's no way Heineken loses its key trademark. It'd be like Coca-Cola switching from red cans to purple. Consumers hate this sort of change.
     
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  6. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    As odd as it may sound, I think a lot of Heineken and Corona fans actually associate and enjoy that distinct skunky flavor with their beer.
     
  7. CalgaryFMC

    CalgaryFMC Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2013 Canada (AB)

    I find that the skunk at least imparts something resembling flavor, where Corona is concerned.
     
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  8. Ohiolager

    Ohiolager Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Ohio

    Spot on! Makes a lot of sense. I used to drink heineken a lot, before i knew anything about beer. All i knew was it was better than the bud and miller my friends were drinking. And back then i guess i did enjoy the skunk taste at the time. i would still rather have a skunked heineken over a bud. lol. It may be skunked, but at least its not adjunct.
     
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  9. Ohiolager

    Ohiolager Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Ohio

    Yeah, there is good reason the commercials show people shoving limes in corona. It gives it some flavor.
     
  10. cambabeer

    cambabeer Pooh-Bah (2,670) Dec 29, 2010 New York
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    I totally agree with the above, "it's marketing" standpoint. Personally, I think brown bottles look better, all practicality aside. Corona's clear bottle just weirds me out really, but think about it, if they were to start using brown bottles, I bet their sales would go way down...
     
  11. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    It's 100% marketing at this point.
     
  12. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    I would also add that 99% of the people drinking beers like Heineken and Corona have little to no idea that the color (or lack of) of their bottle is not protecting their beer like a brown bottle does or that light is what causes skunking.
     
  13. JonnyBeers

    JonnyBeers Savant (1,211) Oct 24, 2012 Canada (BC)

    Pretty sure Cantillon doesn't need to spend much on marketing. What's their excuse?
     
  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    How did you ever get past the smell to even taste it? Every beer I've opened that smelled of skunk I've had to use as slug bait in the yard because I couldn't get past the smell.
     
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  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Not much to skunk in 3+ year old hops that are used in Lambics.

    There are also light stable hop extracts that will not skunk, but add bitterness. Miller uses these for the High Life.
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I've had Heineken from the keg and from the can. No trace of skunk at all. Why would they put a different beer in kegs and cans than they put in bottles if their target is an acquired taste for skunk? (Personally I never get past the smell of skunk in a skunked beer to even taste the beer. :-) )
     
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  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Post WW II many European breweries had to use green bottles since brown bottles could not be produced given post war shortages of necessary ingredients.

    Once the association between green and import had been established they were stuck with green. When the shortages eased some tried switching to brown bottles and saw their sales fall sharply because US consumers wouldn't buy their beer in a brown bottle.
     
  18. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    If I am not mistaken, historically they recycled wine bottles which were green etc. as did saison brewers. The beer itself is not one that can really skunk as mentioned above, some people believe that very mild skunk is actually part of a lambic’s profile. I have had quite a bit of lambiek so far & I have yet to encounter a skunked bottle in the sence that a green bottle pale lager can be skunked. To answer you, it is mainly tradition by this point & lambiek is a very traditional beer (or at least the people who make the good stuff are not the ones to quickly change without reason).
     
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  19. offthelevel_bytheplumb

    offthelevel_bytheplumb Maven (1,277) Aug 19, 2013 Illinois

    I'm pretty sure Heineken uses corn grits, but I'm not 100% on this though (looking at you jesskidden).
     
  20. Five_Four_Plus

    Five_Four_Plus Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 California

    I don't like it in my beer, buuuut...
     
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