Changing the "Homebrew" forum.

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by JohnSnowNW, Apr 12, 2014.

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  1. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    For your consideration:

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/anyone-interested-in-having-a-recipe-sub-forum.166377/

    It's my belief that the "Homebrew" forum would be more usable if broken down into several sub-forums. I honestly have no idea how difficult this is to implement, or how open to the idea the "Bros" are. Anyway, the above poll shows that the majority of users would be open to a "recipes" sub-group, at the very least, but there are certainly other sub-groups that would make the forum more user friendly.

    Just and idea.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    First, sorry I didn't reply to this early.

    Just so I'm clear: What's being asked for is a sub-forum for homebrew recipes? That would be very easy to implement. What would be more difficult to implement is the idea of breaking it down into scores of styles. It could be achieved by creating prefixes, but we're talking a lot of prefixes used for a single sub-forum.

    We could also assign a moderator or two just for the homebrew forums to help keep things tidy.

    Let me know and we can make this happen.

    Thanks,
     
  3. Philthe

    Philthe Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I think a few sub categories would be beneficial. Maybe recipes, techniques, fermentation would be a few good ones to start out with.
     
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  4. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Todd-

    I think just a simple sub bar in the homebrew forum that people could add recipes too. I would also encourage that the person posting have atleast a certain post limit before they are allowed to post into the recipe forum. Would keep some of the trash out of the forum, and also allow poster to be vetted in terms of their knowledge. Otherwise the recipe section would be cluttered with junk.

    It would also be a place for us to store and post the crowd sourced BA beers we all put together.

    I don't think it needs to be broken down into a bunch of sub sections.

    Perhaps, even easy as American Styles, Belgian, Wild/Sour, so it's easy to look up and to moderate and keep it clean.
     
  5. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Thanks for considering this.

    Yes, the idea was to add a sub-group for recipes, with the organization being left up to the difficulty of implementation. It would need to have some way of breaking up areas of the sub-group into different styles, but not necessarily one for every specific style, as it's just too broad to search and use efficiently without. What @FATC1TY proposed would work well.

    Thanks again!
     
  6. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    OK. Here's what I would need:
    • A list of "style" groupings for the prefixes.
    • 1-2 volunteers to moderate the homebrew forums.
    Once I get that we can make this happen very quickly.
     
  7. bulldogbrewhaus

    bulldogbrewhaus Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012 Virginia

    I agree with the latter part of this post, however I really disagree with restricting anyone from posting. Under this school of thought I would probably be prohibited from posting. I brew commercially for a living and homebrew every other weekend, which means I dont have alot of free time to post to this forum (unfortunately). I also think that what makes homebrewing unique is that anyone can stumble onto something great. I got where I am in life through the generosity of more experienced commercial/homebrewers willing to share with me. Not all good brewers are good posters. Cheers!
     
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  8. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I don't plan on placing any restrictions in this new sub-forum.
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Lets keep it simple and see how it rolls:

    • American Ales
    • Belgian Ales
    • Wild/Sour & Barrel Aged
    • Lagers
    I would be happy to help moderate it, I have enough free time to do so, and get on atleast daily, but I don't care who does it. I think a cohesive section for someone to post a recipe that has been brewed, not a place to post a recipe as ask questions about what others think, thats the purpose of the main forum.
     
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  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I can agree with that- I was merely pointing out a need to perhaps keep some of the junk to minimum. Obvious one recipe can be loved by some, and hated by others, and like you said, some people don't post often. Fair enough.

    I was more gearing it towards someone new coming in and posting a regurgitation recipe from a brewing sheet they got from a brewers best kit, especially without anyone knowing much about them, or their brewing style/recipe function.

    But, if someone had something really nice, and placed, or scored well on a recipe, regardless, I'd love to have access to it, regardless of their posting nature.
     
  11. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Where do English and German ales fit in? I think converting American ales to Pale/Amber ales and Dark ales/Stouts would be more encompassing.

    If I came up with it from scratch, I'd propose these to focus on some of the challenges that each group of beer shares.

    Hop-forward
    Malt-forward
    Roast-forward (might be fine mixed in with malt-foward)
    Belgian
    Wild/Sour/Wood
    Fruits/Spices/Smoke
    Lagers
     
  12. bulldogbrewhaus

    bulldogbrewhaus Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012 Virginia

    I can sympathize with having to sort through a bunch of junk before finding some good stuff. Perhaps it's time for you to start your own brewery FATC1TY! I really like the idea of keeping the sub forums simple and few in number. I think this is headed in a good direction. Keep up the good work guys. Cheers!
     
  13. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I would just make this change:

    • American Ales
    • European Ales
    • Wild/Sour & Barrel Aged
    • Lagers
    I know Belgians are quite different from British/European ales, but if we have limited category choices, I think including them in the same category would be more encompassing.

    I'm totally down with you moderating. I don't think I've been on the site long enough, and I've also found my time restricted recently...an infant will do that.


    I don't think that's a particularly bad idea, but I think most people will probably want to search based on style/yeast choice...and that is more closely tied to region. I could be wrong.
     
  14. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I would add that it would be helpful to have a standardized format for the recipes. This will make it easier to navigate, search, and use.
     
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  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I agree with sub forums, and would also like to see a FAQ or "getting started" sub category for new brewers! Also, I'd like to throw my hat in as a mod, I'm on here daily anyway... :rolling_eyes:
     
  16. Jmitchell3

    Jmitchell3 Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2013 Arizona

    so format for recipes? any ideas?

    Off the top of my head:

    Field, example:

    [Name] (bob's super stout)
    [Style] (American Stout)
    [Type] (all grain, mini-mash, extract)
    [Batch Size] (in gallons)

    [Efficiency Target] (if all grain)

    [Grain Bill] (include extract or steep grains here)

    [Hop Bill] (recommend asking for target IBU contribution for each addition OR quantity + alpha, and times)

    [Yeast]

    [Process] (any brewing notes, such as boil time, mash temps and length, etc).


    Maybe a template for Extract and one for All-Grain? Leaving some of the details in the Process box might be a bit risky.

    Possibly a good place to look for a template is Zymurgy's recipes?
     
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I would, but I don't want to be broke! hah!

    I think keeping it simple and seeing how it's used and works, before making the grand changes would be ideal here.
     
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  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yes, there will be a standard format, as well as maybe some info for the thread titles, ie:

    "Heady Flopper" DIPA, -AG
    "Moose Knuckles" Brown Ale- Extract
     
  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I don't see the reason to expand based on profiles of hop/malt/roast levels. I can see the whole, European and German ales, so we could simply do an American Ales, and then a European section that fills the voids of Belgian/German/Euro.

    Fruit/Spice/Smoke isn't a bad idea, but those are generally small notations of the beer. Want a Rauchbier? check the European Ale section.

    Want a fruit beer? Well, is it a sour? or is it a strawberry blonde? Check the WSW section, or the American section for a blonde ale to use and add fruit to. I think having a fruit section would also have people coming for ciders. Not sure on the stance of this site at this point of the game on wanting to host something with cider as a focal point.

    Too spread out, I think things will be thin and hard to find, at which point, doesn't serve a valid purpose.
     
  20. jbaker67

    jbaker67 Pooh-Bah (2,035) Jul 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    If you are still looking for someone to moderate the homebrew forum I would be happy to help.
     
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