Framboos value

I think you should get as much as possible for them.

 

According to an adjacent thread, it looks like you already traded one for a Wooden Hell.

 

My plan is to trade one then cellar them, opening for special occasions or tastings. I think at this point I'm pretty blase about going whale-hunting, and I don't think that Framboos is actually pulling anything I'd be willing to trade it for, giving how good it is and how risky anything else is.

Edit: Maybe I'm crazy, but I would absolutely not trade it for Wooden Hell. I see basically 0 chance that WH or M are meaningfully better than Abacus or King Henry.

 

Give in. The next step is to get as much as possible in your other regular trades.

 

Why?

 

I've personally never seen the "value" of a beer fluctuate upon its "release" as much as Framboos has. There are some people (who have and don't have it) that think it'll trade for Wooden Hell straight up. There are others that say no chance. And all of them seemed to be seasoned traders that've done a ton of wale for wale trades. Personally, I'd be reluctant to trade WH straight up for one as I see the value of Framboos dropping in the next couple of months.

From what I've heard from people that have attended the event and people who had tasting group members go to the event, there are a LOT more bottles in the US than some are letting on. Now, I'm not even going to pretend to know how many of those bottles are "tradeable" but I think eventually, the sheer number of how many are available compared to how many were INITIALLY thought to be available will meet somewhere in the middle and maybe the value will settle in then.

 

(Step Four): Profit! eBay

 

Word on the street is that they are badly infected and potentially life-threateningly poisonous. Please ship any bottles you may have over to me for proper disposal. I am double certified in craft beer elimination.

 

You could always do an LIF and give one away... Then maybe you would feel better about trying to slay some whales.

 

I've traded rarity for quantity in the past. The way I temper myself is to offer to match cost. There's no rule that says you have to trade 1 bottle for 1 bottle, but it is rude to try and get $300 of beer (retail) for a $50 bottle (retail). Match the $ difference and I'd expect that asking for 6 bottles of Rare (or whatever) is legit.

I also suspect there are way more people who got Framboos for trade value than they're letting on. How that will impact trade value, we'll see...

 

^ This x10000000

 

I'm mystified by the trade value of this beer. As far as I can tell, the only reason it's valued over something like Blabaer is because it's called Framboos.

 

Let's compare it to something like JCN instead then. These lambic breweries release rare one-off beers all the time. If this batch of Framboos had been called something else, I'm certain it would be trading near the same level as beers like JCN, Crianza, Blabaer, etc. This new batch is basically riding on the coattails of '99 Framboos. That's not to say it isn't good - I'm sure it is.

 

Part of the difference is who has the bottles. This isn't like a local BA speedway release where some of the beer guys in San Diego go to a release to get bottles to drink, but most go to the release to get bottles so they could trade for other releases that they want.

In this case, you're talking about people who dropped a grand on a flight and made a vacation out of it. These are hard-core lambic heads. They are the people who've traded the stouts in their cellars for lambics. That's who's got the Framboos in the states. As stupac2 said above, he doesn't think beers being offered are the beers that he'd trade it for. I'm the same way.

My bottles aren't for trade. I hope to be able to drink this beer for the next 2 decades and watch it age. I will bring it to tastings and share it with lambic fanatics while they share their beers with me. You mention it's value compared to a blabaer? I'd never trade one for a Blabaer. Blabaer's coming out soon. I've got friends in Copenhagen who will get me some. It'll come out again next year. Framboos might as well, and i hope it does. I'm not worried about "retrade value".

This 750 bottle release is very different than a 750 bottle release of something in the states. You want to land one? Find someone in europe with bottles for trade. Unlike the american's who flew over primarily for this release, and are unlikely to trade it, you're more likely to find europeans who picked up this limited release from the event that was local for them to use as rare trade fodder. I suspect that many more bottles will make it into the states, as trades across the pond happen.

Also, one other thing to remember. Luggage space was limited. Every bottle mattered. People were focused on trades, and local beers, and framboos, and everything else. Not nearly as many bottles made it back to the states as people might have liked.