How do you rate the Macro Brews?!

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Beer-Zombie, Jun 22, 2014.

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  1. Beer-Zombie

    Beer-Zombie Pooh-Bah (1,769) Oct 16, 2007 Oregon
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    So I'm sittin here drinkin Busch beer and I decided to pour one in a glass. I just gave it a quick 2.75 rating but I was thinking, "Should I rate it on the comparison to most beers I drink (mostly American craft and Belgian) or should I rate it in comparison to other macros?" Keep in kind that this was the brew I drank before I knew what options were out there. So I decided to just rate it on a general scale of how much I like it. 1 through 5. I came up with, "Meh, it's ok. Still a little crappy." How do you turds in beer land rate your macros?
     
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  2. Redneckwine

    Redneckwine Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 Washington

    I rate based on the criteria laid out for us to rate beers with: smell, taste, feel - that gives me a very good idea of the quality of a beer.

    Honestly, I find it pretty hard to rate to style. I've had a lot of shitty beers in the AAL category; in fact, I can't ever remember having an excellent one, one that made me say ,"damn, this is good." So, what's the benchmark of a world class AAL? What's the point of reference? How do you rate honestly and fairly if you just don't like the style? Maybe the best idea is to simply refrain from rating in that case. I've never truly figured it out. I'd have a hard time giving a beer a 4/5 just because I thought it was shitty, but not quite as shitty as the majority in the style.
     
  3. jwheeler87

    jwheeler87 Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2011 Massachusetts

    1. (Forever) PBR. It actually tastes pretty good to me. Nothing mind altering, but not offensive.
    2. Narragansett Lager. I know they have craft options, but the lager is still an AAL.
    3. Budweiser. Not offensive tasting, but not great either.
    4. Miller High Life. See description for Budweiser.
    5. American Malt Liquor (any brand). Doesn't taste good, but will get you there if you're looking to get wrecked.
    6. Light Lagers. (more or less water).
    7. Rolling Rock, Corona or any other skunked out AAL. (Gross and gross again).
     
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  4. JMS1512

    JMS1512 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2013 New Jersey

    'Gansett is probably the easiest drinking non-bmc AAL I've ever had. If I ever want to "just have a beer," I gladly turn to this one. I understand the 'bros rating on this one. But what do I know? I'm about to crack open a Rogue chocolate stout.
     
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  5. wordemupg

    wordemupg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,187) Feb 11, 2009 Canada (AB)
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  6. elchicodelgado

    elchicodelgado Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Texas
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    It is tough to rate them because they should be rated against the style so clearly there is an AAL that is a 5 or close to it but most of us would have a hard time giving any of the macros a 5. If you can't objectively rate a style because you don't like it then I suppose your approach of not rating it is appropriate.
     
  7. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    The number you give it means pretty much nothing, the review with your description of the beer tells us everything that you experience with that beer. So it tastes watery and thin, who cares if you think that warrants a low score, maybe I'm looking for a light tasteless beer, would I be able to parse that out with just a number? No. So Review any way you want, just tell us why and if you are simply rating nobody should care.
     
  8. Rohkey

    Rohkey Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2013 Michigan

  9. turbotype

    turbotype Savant (1,035) Nov 5, 2013 California

    You call em' like you see/taste em'. The scale doesn't change and it isn't relative. If Pliny, Heady, KBS, BCBS or whatever is your 5 and Corona is your 1, then rate in between as you see fit, at least in my opinion. I do not alter the scale. My favorite beers are on top, and the drain pours are on bottom. Usually for me, the best BMC (IMO) is usually 2.75-3.0. The ones I don't like and would never purchase again are near the bottom. In the case of Corona, I would happily drink water instead.
    Again, it is my opinion, and everyone is different. Remember and respect that fact.
     
  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I rate to style. And, despite posts to the contrary, the scales change a lot when you zoom in on styles. Although a coors banquet isn't even close to bcbcs when comparing everything, it suddenly raises to the top of the scale when comparing it other AAL's for me. If you like ipa's but dabble in stouts is it fair to rate a stout you've tried at a 4 simply because you prefer another style, even though its the best stout you will ever have in your life? I don't believe so.
     
  11. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I start with personal taste, and then adjust based on style and expectations. Generally, for macros, 3.0 is my dividing line between beers that I did or did not enjoy at all (or would/would not drink again).

    Thus: a beer that I wouldn't revisit, but was actually a pretty good version of a macro lager, might rate 2.5 to 2.75. A macro lager I would revisit and I think is far superior to other macros, anywhere from 3.5 to 4.0. I don't think I've rated any macros at or above a 4.0, but a couple have come close.

    IMO, the rating scale becomes worthless if every macro gets below a 3.0, even the well-executed ones. Rating to style isn't easy; it takes a bit of suppression of one's ego, and sometimes a little leap of faith.
     
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  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Ultimately, you should rate them in a way that makes sense to you, because you'll drive yourself crazy trying to find internal consistency in the way that everyone else rates them.

    If you rate according to style, the most exemplary beer within each style would be rated 5. In theory, there would be a paragon of macro lagers out there that deserves a 5. There is a catch-22 to this logic - if you have never tasted the paragon, how can you compare the others to it. And of course, there may be differing opinions about which beer is the most exemplary of the style. If you look at the ratings of big beers like DIPA and RIS and compare them to more balanced styles, you get the impression that most people don't rate styles equally.
     
  13. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Rate each beer on its own merit.

    I have a hard time with this "rate to style" business. I never know if I should rate Miller Lite as an Adjunct Lager or Pilsner, it seems like they want me to rate their beer as a Pilsner.
     
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  14. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I had a terrible time rating them. In fact I got out the style guidelines, looked for all the off flavors and ended up rating quite a few of them pretty high based on their category and on the logical assumption that in any style group, they all can't be bad. I did tire of them in general and after about 12 beers in that style total. Ironically my favorites int he style were not even the ones I rated with the highest score. Go figure. Genessee lager, corona, and kokanee are my favorites.
     
  15. Dan_McNeely

    Dan_McNeely Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2014 Wisconsin

    From what I can tell, a 2.75 as you've rated wouldn't be "bad". I still crack a Miller High Life if I plan to be drinking a couple beers. I'd rate it for what it is, nothing great, nothing terrible. As difficult it is to rate a beer a 5, it's just as difficult to rate it 1 for me. I guess I haven't sat down and rated a high life against a Miller Lite or Bud. Maybe I'll see where it lands on my scale. Good question.
     
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  16. Jsteez

    Jsteez Savant (1,233) Apr 28, 2012 Utah

    When I thoughtfully attempted to find a great AAL, I found that PBR has the most flavor and balance (IMO). Bud, Miller High Life, Tecate, and Dos Equis are okay to drink, but they are not better than a 2.7 on the rating scale, IMHO. PBR is closest to the 3 mark. Then again, most AAL's are brewed with similar adjunct ingredients, correct? (Rice, corn, formaldehyde (J/K) :wink:etc.) so they all taste so similar to me. As we all know already these beers are mass produced for profit. Good flavors are sacrificed for money (again, in my subjective opinion).
     
  17. fx20736

    fx20736 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2009 New York

    I don't rate to style. I rate every beer the same way; how does it look, smell and taste.I've rated several AALs. Here they are with scores:

    Narragansett Lager 4.21
    Pabst Blue Ribbon (PBR) 3.71
    Batch 19 3.59
    Genesee Beer 3.53
    Old Style 3.53
    Schaefer 2.96
    Utica Club 2.69
    Hamm's 2.64
     
  18. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    i think they are all shit and would never buy them, but (according to the site rules) you should rate them against other beers of the same style (e.g. american adjunct lager). if you like that style and a beer is a good version of it in your mind (preferably from objective-ish measures, like talking about real facts of its flavor, aroma, lack of this or that flaw, mouthfeel, etc), you should give it a good rating.
     
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  19. Lukus_Maximus

    Lukus_Maximus Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2014 Connecticut

    To me it's like comparing apples to oranges. For the most part, macro-brews aren't brewed with the purpose of delivering a quality beer, so I don't compare them to micro's at all or even bother giving them a rating.
     
  20. JuicesFlowing

    JuicesFlowing Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2009 Kansas

    Macros are hard to rate when you pick them apart, because flavors and aromas just don't come out like they do in micros. I try to rate macros according to style in comparison with other macros. It's hard to give high scores when everything smells metallic and there's no head or lacing.
     
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