Hop Shortage / Beer Prices

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  1. firecracker87

    firecracker87 Aspirant (284) Jun 23, 2013 Nebraska

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  2. Crawfish61

    Crawfish61 Crusader (421) Feb 1, 2013 Louisiana

    I was raised on a farm in Louisiana. The one you can be assured of is that if a commodity is priced high then the producers will produce all they can and expand acreage if possible. I don't know much about hop growing but I do know producers will increase acreage if possible to cash in. Hopefully just a temporary situation and good for the hop growers to make some profits.
     
  3. rather

    rather Initiate (0) May 31, 2013 California

    will work for hops.
     
  4. Sumdeus

    Sumdeus Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2014 Indiana

    Cost of goods is quite low for beer, any impact it will have should be minimal.
     
  5. bulldogbrewhaus

    bulldogbrewhaus Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012 Virginia

    Will grow hops for hops?
     
  6. scutchcbus

    scutchcbus Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2014 Ohio

    Just started growing my own hops this year. I'll be off the grid in two years lol. But not really because there are too many good beers out there to try. I can't make them all but I can sure (attempt to) try them all
     
  7. firecracker87

    firecracker87 Aspirant (284) Jun 23, 2013 Nebraska

    Anheuser-Busch should drop brewing and start hop growing. :grinning:
     
  8. beerjerk666

    beerjerk666 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,155) Aug 22, 2010 Florida
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    For hops sake!
     
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  9. briang01

    briang01 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2009 Maryland

    Hops in the grand scheme of things are not a HUGE cost for a beer. Here is an estimated variable cost breakdown for a 15 barrel batch. I forget the OG/IBU of the recipe I used to estimate, but it was supposed to be fairly average.


    Malt 720.00
    Hops 144.00
    Yeast 50.00
    Water and Sewer 25.00
    Gas/Elec 45.00
    CO2 20.00
    Cleaning Chems 40.00
    Federal Taxes 105.00
    State Tax 41.85
     
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  10. ShaneP

    ShaneP Zealot (504) Jan 26, 2013 Indiana
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    The recent reports on the "hop shortage" is a bit of it depends on how you look at the issue. There are two markets for hops a) contracted and b) spot market The articles tend to focus on the spot market prices and more popular hops which have prices that vary a lot. Most medium to larger breweries do some or a lot of contract purchases for hops, malts, etc. so they can plan their production schedule and know they have the raw materials they need. In our case we contract out 3 years for hops, which is pretty normal.
     
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  11. chcfan

    chcfan Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2008 California

    Don't forget labor, utilities, distribution costs (I'm not sure how this part works, but I know that shit ain't free), building leases (if applicable), website hosting...the list goes on and on. Overall, hops are a teeny tiny percentage of the final cost of beer. I'm not saying this is nothing to be concerned about, but the impact should really be minimal in the grand scheme of things.
     
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  12. tbaker397

    tbaker397 Initiate (0) Nov 9, 2013 West Virginia

    I personally don't find that article very worth while. I saw one very similar a few weeks back. A brewery here in WV hasn't mentioned any difficulty in getting hops, even some smaller type varietals like hul melon and mandarin bavaria. So if he can get those hops, I can't imagine Sierra nevada is having any difficulty
     
  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    They do grow hops on the largest hop farm in the world in Northern Idaho, about 1800 acres.. There you go. Mainly aroma varieties IIRC.
     
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  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Comparing 2014 to 2004 raised some flags for me. There was the shortage about 2008/2009 that saw the spot market go to $30 a pound or more. Then they planted more, and the prices came back down.
     
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  15. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Excellent articles. Many industry expert have stated that hops have been underpriced for a long time, and the growers make enough profit in a price spike to get them through the lean times.

    My memory was off on the shortage, it was 2007/2008.
     
  17. TheBeerBro

    TheBeerBro Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2013 Iowa

    Is there a way to purchase hop commodities on the stock market? Similar to gold, silver, and oil. Seems like it may be a good investment.
     
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  18. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    They're the ones buying it up. Look at what's going on with Goose Island - a new 'limited release' IPA every few months (ten hills, endless IPA...) They're jumping from farm to farm buying up all they can to make it tougher on the little guys. This is a real and deliberate strategy being executed by AB. They use a static amount of hops in all their AALs, so Goose in their go-to brand for using as much hops as they can - for no other reason than to deprive other brewers.
     
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  19. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    If it is indeed a problem, here's a solution: All American brewers stop making IPAs for a year. There are many on this forum who seem to be sick of them or not even like them at all, right?:stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  20. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    So, you are a member of the AB strategic planning team, are you?
     
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