Are "session IPAs" improving?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by AlcahueteJ, Jul 14, 2014.

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  1. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I realize it's getting increasingly difficult to sell beer in a crowded marketplace, but are we truly past the point where brewers can't sell a new hoppy pale ale without having to piggyback on this ridiculous "session IPA" marketing gimmick? Or should we be suspicious of brewers that feel the need to use this to sell beer?
     
  2. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Reference to Session IPAs as "hop water"? Check.

    Reference to Session IPAs as American Pale Ales? Check.

    Reference to the original IPA being brewed with high hops/alcohol to survive the long voyage to India? Check.

    Reference to how Session IPA isn't really a style or is some subversion of the concept of styles? Check.

    Reference to the term "session IPA" being a marketing gimmick? Check.

    Reference (correctly) to Boat Beer as the best session IPA? Check.

    Reference to where the ABV cutoff should be for a session beer? Check.

    Alright everyone, I think we've covered it all. Time to shut this one down. That's some nice, efficient work people--just a little over two pages of posts. Next time, I think we can do even better. Let's go for one page.

    :grinning:
     
  3. Fezzik1970

    Fezzik1970 Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Carton did that 3 years ago with Boat. For some reason they are hung up on not calling it a Session IPA though.
     
  4. Ieatlambfries

    Ieatlambfries Maven (1,344) Dec 5, 2003 New Jersey

    Not trying to be a wise guy here, the can says, "Session Ale," on the front. And in their explanation of the beer (back of the can) they say, "an IPA for everyday drinking."
     
  5. augiecarton

    augiecarton Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 New Jersey

    keep doing this
     
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  6. augiecarton

    augiecarton Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 New Jersey

    Its semantics and its space. I just think of Boat as a "hoppy session ale for double ipa drinkers." It's too small yellow and hoppy to be a pale, its too linear and crisp and way too small to be an IPA, so we go with "session ale" and try to help people know what to expect in the description.
    I wrote that long description 3 years ago when there wasn't a notion of "session IPA." Now that there is i might have gone with it as the easy way to explain what Boat aspires to be, but it wouldn't be exactly right or more helpful then what's there, so for now we let that stand and try to figure a better paragraph for the can now that there is one.
     
  7. augiecarton

    augiecarton Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 New Jersey

    doesn't "taste like" a double per se. It's supposed to be more like methadone for a IIPA junkie if that makes sense.
     
  8. Guzzle_McBrew

    Guzzle_McBrew Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Connecticut

    I agree that this is the case, people do go GaGa over anything brewed in that "Sugar Hill Brewery". That said, I love certain Lawson's beers and think very little of others; this particular beer is exceptional for the style.
     
  9. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Rather than a gimmick I think they were brewed out of necessity. Beer is a beverage consumed in large volumes. The best selling, craft or not, are lower abv. Bud Light (4.2% abv) and Sam Adams Boston Lager (4.9% abv) for example. Hops clearly sell, but you're not going to drink six 7% IPAs at a time.

    Thus, the session IPA was born. Give people their hop fix, and sell more beer.

    IPLs on the other hand....
     
  10. Harnkus

    Harnkus Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 New York

    You know nothing of what you say
     
  11. jayrutgers

    jayrutgers Zealot (723) Oct 29, 2011 New Jersey

    No, they're terribly imbalanced low ABV pale ales that rely solely on huge late hop additions to appease the people who put hop aroma ahead of you know, flavor and body.
     
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  12. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    But ~5% ABV pale ales have been around for a long time. I'm not sure what it is about these beers, apart from their apparent terribleness, that requires them to be called something besides "pale ale." Except, of course, marketing gimmick.
     
  13. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Yes, but pale ales aren't as hoppy as IPAs. Session IPAs, for better or worse, are hopped to similar levels as regular IPAs, but with abv's even lower than most pale ales. Brewers have posted on this website and stated they brew them differently than pale ales.

    If you're used to getting your head bashed in with hops at the level of most IPAs, a regular pale ale like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale simply won't cut it.
     
  14. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Just because prior attempts at brewing a pale ale didn't use as much hops doesn't mean adding more hops makes them a different beer. Try Edward some time. If that isn't hoppy enough for you, then there is something wrong with you, yet they seem fine with the moniker "pale ale."

    Brewers are trying to sell beer, too. Don't take everything they say at face value.
     
  15. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I've had Edward. It's excellent. It's also 5.2% abv, which is out of the session range. Most of these session IPAs are coming in at 4 to 4.5% abv. Edward is 85 IBUs, if you cut the malt to drop the abv, and made the beer 85 IBUs........well, you'd have a very bitter beer. To have Edward still be Edward at a lower abv, you'd have to add less malt.

    Also, you're talking about arguably the most skilled brewer in the country when it comes to hops. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Walden from Hill Farmstead was excellent (only 40 IBUs at 4% abv). I've had both though, and Edward is FAR hoppier than Walden.

    Even if you don't want to believe the brewers, these are two different styles.

    Stone Go-To IPA: 4.5% abv 65 IBUs

    Stone Pale Ale: 5.4% abv 41 IBUs
     
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  16. Vivified

    Vivified Initiate (0) Jul 9, 2014 California

    I love session's, one of my favorite styles currently.
     
  17. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'd prefer the style to be be named American Bitter. It's more appropriate than tagging IPA on the end of something and I feel promoting excessive drinking is a dangerous path to travel down with the general public.
     
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  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Some use adjuncts to lighten the body, so that they are easier to drink in some quantitiy.
     
  19. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    See, now you're just making shit up. "Out of the session range?" As defined by whom? HopHands by Tired Hands is quite hoppy and clocks in at 4.8%. They call it a pale ale. Is that also out of the session range? Or have they mis-classified it?

    Slightly more hops and slightly lower ABV than usual doesn't make something a new style. It might be a different take on an old style, but the fact that it's hoppier doesn't make it new. I'm sorry you've bought into the marketing gimmick and are now stuck arguing otherwise, but that's life, I guess.
     
  20. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Combining the BJCP and BA style guidelines, you come up with something like this:

    English IPA: IBUs: 40 – 60 ABV: 4.0 – 7.5%
    American Pale Ale: IBUs: 30 – 50 ABV: 4.0 – 7.0%
    American IPA: IBUs: 40 – 70 ABV: 5.5 – 7.5%
    Specialty IPA, Session IPA: IBUs: 40 – 70 ABV: 3.0 – 5.0%

    If you look at the overlaps in there, it is a bit of a wonderment there is so much passionate debate on the topic of whether a "Session IPA" is properly called an IPA! :wink:
     
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