What did I do wrong

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by randeezy74, Jul 17, 2014.

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  1. randeezy74

    randeezy74 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Colorado

    I brewed my first beer a while back. Used a "Craft a Brew" Pale Ale kit from that my parents got me for Christmas. I think I followed the instructions pretty well.

    Anyways, a few problems I experienced were:
    - The beer was very cloudy (probably due to too much sediment when bottling)
    - The beer was very very very carbonated (poured with a nice head but then it just kept on going)
    - I tasted a bit more booze than I'd expected (beer was supposed to be 5-6% ABV)

    Overall I was very happy that I ended up with a final product that at least resembled a Pale Ale, but I'd really like to know what could have caused the excess carbonation. That was the main thing that made drinking my beer a task rather than a pleasure.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You should probably describe the recipe and process you followed. Unless you want dozens of probably irrelevant theories thrown around.
     
  3. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    You followed kit instructions and didn't read 'How to Brew' by John Palmer. That's what ya did wrong.
     
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  4. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Numbers 2 and 3 are likely easily answered... Number 1 can be any of a number of reasons.

    #2: Too much priming sugar
    #3: Fermentation temperature likely too high
     
  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    They usually give you 5 oz of corn sugar to prime with. That's usually pretty excessive for priming sugar.

    Edit: If you get the beer as cold as you can, without freezing it, you'll probably do better on your pours.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Especially if it's not well mixed. Or if there wasn't actually 5 gallons of finished beer. Or...
    Which is why I think the OP should tell us about his recipe and process.
     
  7. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Ooo, pick me! I have one involving aliens, GW Bush and the Illuminati... :rolling_eyes:

    Probably this.
     
  8. randeezy74

    randeezy74 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Colorado

    It was just a one gallon kit.
    From what I can remember (I don't have the kit instructions on me right now, they're over 1000 miles away from me at the moment), here was my process:

    - Brought the water to ~160(?) deg
    - Steeped malted barley for ~15 min
    - Brought wort to a boil momentarily and removed from heat
    - Mixed in all the malt, brought to a boil and added first round of hops
    - Boiled for 60 min (had a small boil over at one point)
    - Added aroma hops in the last 2 min
    - Poured into fermentor, added water to 1 gal line, wrapped fermentor in black construction paper, and let ferment at room temp (68-70) for two weeks

    - Brought a 1/2 cup(?) of water to boil, removed from heat, and mixed in the amount of sugar specified (I really wish I could say exactly how much, I've always assumed this was the source of my problem, sorry for the lack of info)
    - Siphoned most of the beer into the pot with the sugar water and mixed well (tried to leave the sediment at the bottom, along with a few cups of beer)
    - Bottled, wrapped in blanket, and let sit for 2 weeks at room temp (68-70)

    - Placed in fridge, opened, poured, and attempted to enjoy

    By the way, I'll check that book out. Thanks.
     
  9. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Most likely causes for over-carbed home brewed beer are:
    1) too much priming sugar and / or
    2) incomplete fermentation and / or
    3) poor sanitation.

    Since this nano-batch was brewed from a kit at room temperature, I'll take door #3.
     
  10. randeezy74

    randeezy74 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Colorado

    I've been wondering what poor sanitation can do to a batch. I can't remember what sanitizer the kit provided, but I constantly worried that my beer would be contaminated and I took sanitation very seriously.
     
  11. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I think others have given you some good answers re the carbonation problem.

    Regarding the presence of more 'booze' than anticipated, my guess is that this was the result of too high a fermentation temperature. I know the yeast packet usually says 65-75F is fine, but for best results, you usually need to be at the lower end of that scale. And you need to measure the wort itself, not the room temperature. If you ferment at the high end of the range, or as happens with many new brewers, above 75, you will get usually get more of what they call fusel alcohols, which tend to be "hotter" and more prominent in the beer flavor. They also will give you a worse hangover. So you might have a beer that is well within the expected ABV range, but has a lot of fusels and thus tastes boozier (and probably leaves you feeling a little worse than expected the next day). If that is the case, you would see a big improvement if you lower your pitch and fermentation temp. Generally, I like to pitch at about 64F for most ales, and ferment at 66-68F.

    As for clarity, there are a lot of variables complicated variables here, not the least of which is water chemistry. I would suggest that, since clarity is mainly a cosmetic issue, you might focus on the other problems first.
     
  12. CraftBeerTastic

    CraftBeerTastic Initiate (0) Jun 22, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Any beer that I've ever cracked open with excessive foam and head (a.k.a. gusher) meant the beer was infected.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How much beer actually made it into your bottling pot? (BTW, a pot doesn't make a good bottling bucket...very hard to sanitize properly.) With a one gallon batch, there's not a lot of room (percentage-wise) for error. You can use the 'right' amount of sugar (assuming whatever came with the kit or was specified by the recipe was appropriate) in significantly less beer than intended...i.e. over-prime and overcarbonate the beer. But also, I don't see anything to indicate that you sanitized anything. So infection is still a small possibility. (And if that's the case, it could also help explain the cloudiness.)

    If there's a homebrew club in your area, you might want to take a bottle for someone to taste for you.
     
  14. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I generally use a pot (my boil kettle, actually) as a bottling bucket. I make sure it is nice and clean, and then I add a small amount of water and the priming sugar. I bring it to a boil (stirring to make sure the sugar doesn't scorch), put the lid on, and leave it on the heat for several minutes. Then I turn off the heat and let it cool down to room temperature (leaving the lid in place), and when I am ready I rack the beer into the kettle, mix well, and then bottle using a siphon. It may be a bit more labor-intensive than using StarSan in a bottling bucket, but it works for me, and I've never experienced an infection.
     
  15. randeezy74

    randeezy74 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Colorado

    It just seems to me like I would've had to add way too much priming sugar to make my bottles gush like they do. I didn't get the entire gallon of beer into the bottling pot with the priming sugar, but I only left a cup or two at the bottom of the fermentor.

    This morning I've been reading about the "gusher bug" infection that can cause a beer to be over-carbonated and gush from the bottle, pour glasses full of foam, etc. Found the "How to Brew" site (didn't realize it was a web-book, thats cool as hell). One of the defining characteristics seems to be a lack of body, which my beer definitely has. It almost tastes like fizzy beer water. I sanitized everything really well (or so I thought), but looking back, I don't think I sanitized the bottling pot or boiled it for long enough. Thanks for helping me shed some light on this.
     
  16. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    My guess as to the overcarbonation is still too much priming sugar rather than infection.

    A lot of new brewers are overly scared of infections and are quick to jump the gun on blaming an infection for issues. Generally speaking, unintentional infections are quite rare.
     
  17. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Can you elaborate here? How did you cool the wort? How did you pitch the yeast? What temperature was it at when you pitched?

    It doesn't take much boiling to kill infections, so sanitizing your kettle isn't really a thing. If your beer is infected, it almost certainly happened after you turned the heat off.
     
  18. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    A cup or two is a significant percentage on a one-gallon scale. If your priming sugar measurement was already on the high side, then subtracted a pint (2 cups = 16 fluid ounces), that's 1/8 of your total batch.

    Unless you cold-crash, haze can be a persistent, though mostly harmless, aspect in homebrewing, depending on racking skills and technique. Generally speaking, my beers are clearer after a week in the fridge (essentially a cold crash - yeast falls to the bottom), and usually taste a little better.

    Boozy taste was almost certainly from fermenting too warm. Assuming you used a typical pale ale strain (I'd guess your kit came with Safale US-05), 68-70*F ambient temp means it could be up to 72-75*F inside your fermenter, which is beyond the yeast's optimal range. You probably got fusel alcohols, which is what you're tasting.
     
  19. randeezy74

    randeezy74 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Colorado

    I filled my sink up with ice & cold water, put my pot in the sink with lid on, poured more ice on top, and it cooled to about 70 deg in 20-30 min. Once it was at 70, I funneled it into the sanitized fermentor and poured the dry yeast in, capped it, shook it to aerate, and put the bubbler top on.
     
  20. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Did you sanitize the funnel?

    I'd say if the overcarbonation gets worse over the next couple weeks, it might be an infection. If it stays the same, it was probably just overcarbed with sugar and fermented a little too warm. You can rig up a swamp cooler pretty easily for next time.
     
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