Use caution when trading with illinikap

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by markgugs, Aug 29, 2014.

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  1. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    Agreed to our trade, we exchanged addresses, we used the feedback system, and he still backed out. FWIW, my personal rule that "you ship first" unless you have minimum 5 successfully completed trades worked to my advantage here, as he was going to ship next Tuesday.

    I'm not saying he's a bad guy, he was apologetic, but to use the reason "my wife said I can't trade the beer" doesn't fly with me. This is something that should have been cleared BEFORE posting the FT, and certainly before accepting the trade with me.

    No beer was lost, my feelings are not hurt, but if I were setting up a trade with someone, I would want to know this. Now you do.

    I'm also posting this because I left him "okay" feedback and this will serve as record should he do the same to me.
     
  2. Iamjeff6

    Iamjeff6 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2013 Virginia

    I've had this happen to me a couple times(from different users), it gets annoying after a while.
     
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  3. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    This happened to me once with someone else. All the trader said was "I can't make this trade and have to back out", no reason was given. I suspected that he got a better offer after agreeing to mine (address exchanged and trade accepted), but have no proofs so not much I could do.
     
  4. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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  5. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    yes Nick
     
  6. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Have you also left him negative feedback? Although no beer was lost, in my book this guy is a bad trader.
     
  7. Andread

    Andread Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2013 Florida

    Clearly your feelings were hurt to the point where you made a thread telling us about how he didn't screw you over. Anyone who saw he was left okay feedback by you likely would have contacted you to find out why but instead you tarnish his name here cause his reason isn't good enough for you.

    Not every situation where a trade doesn't go right does not have to be broadcast for everyone to see.
     
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  8. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    my feelings weren't hurt in the least,
    I trade the right way. Sorry that you obviously don't understand what's right, or wrong in the trading world, enough so that you think I'm "tarnishing" someone who I know for 100% fact was shopping for a better offer. I already spoke to another trader he was in contact with and we've now put some things together.
     
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  9. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    nope, you know how I tend to deal with these things...I reserve "negative" feedback for stolen beer. This wasn't that. Just another in the new wave of crappy traders.
     
  10. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    The guy agreed to the trade and didn't deliver the beer. The dog ate my homework excuse won't fly. I would label him a bad trader but see Markgugs point of view.
     
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  11. Gtreid

    Gtreid Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2008 Florida

    Man guys, you all are really taking this stuff too seriously. I've backed out of trades before for a variety of reasons, and I've had people back out on me. As long as no beer was lost, alls good. No one knows what the other person is going through, maybe his wife did tell him he couldn't trade the beer, maybe he got a better offer, maybe he didn't like the deal, who cares, it's just beer. To out the guy for backing out for his personal reasons is a dick move.
     
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  12. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    no, a dick move is agreeing to a trade - one that required me to go get the beer he wanted (from a friend, but still) - and then backing out.


    edit: and honestly, don't give me that shit like "you don't know what he's going through." My fucking mother-in-law was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and yet I've never, not once, pulled anything shady with trades I've agreed to. Sorry you don't seem to think someone's word is worth anything, but that doesn't make it right. It makes you another person I'll never trade with (and likely, anyone else who reads this). Have a nice fucking night.
     
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  13. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    The guy tarnished his own name, don't accept a trade offer and back out, it's that simple. And yes, when someone does do that myself and others would love for it to be broadcast so we don't have the same thing happen to us.

    Thanks for making us aware Mark.
     
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  14. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    It's not always that simple. I've held on to beers, specifically bought beers, passed up other trades, etc based on the other person giving me their word that the trade would happen.

    BTW, his "wife" told him he couldn't trade beer? Seriously? He should have just "manned up" and said he got a better offer.
     
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  15. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Sorry exchanging addresses is a hand shake. No mark didn't lose beer, but what if he went out and bought beer to complete this trade? Then he's out money on beers he may not have bought. Sorry you complete that trade while telling the wifey $18 shipping won't bankrupt you. I'm thinking a little auctioning here.
     
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  16. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    Dale is right, but I didn't buy beer, I traded my last Hill Farmstead growler to a buddy for his Backyard Rye. Now he's a friend, so it'll come back around to be fine for me, but the growler is gone now. Can't get that back.
     
  17. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    It's not about beer; it's about time, money, and effort.

    Look at it this way: if you and I agreed to go out together - say a pub, or to a brewery, or a zoo; it doesn't matter - and I agree to pick you up at your place. After I show up, you change your mind, then and there. Not ahead of time; no notice; just, "Hey man, never mind."

    Is it a big deal? Of course not. Just some gas money. But your inconsiderate attitude has cost me time and effort I cannot ever get back. "It's just the zoo, dude."

    Yeah, and it's just your word. It's not about beer; it's about not being a douche. If you think it's OK to be a douche as long as it's only about beer.....then you're still a douche, and chances are you would be the same regardless of what is at stake.

    (Note: I don't think you're a douche. I don't know you personally. But I think you're missing the point here, which has nothing to do with beer, and everything to do with not screwing someone over, especially if the trader in question was just trying to maximize his trade deal. That - and the attitude of "It's just beer" - exemplifies the selfish, entitled, childish mindset of a small minority of BAs that ruin this community.)
     
  18. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Thanks for your thoughts , will make sure I never trade with you.
     
  19. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    There was a time when there was an established trading decorum here, but more and more I see people who either don't know, or don't care, about those basic common courtesies.

    Once you've agreed to the deal and exchanged addresses, the deal is consummated. Don't agree to the deal or exchange addresses unless you're SURE you are going to make the deal.
     
  20. markgugs

    markgugs Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New Jersey

    this. 1000x times this. which was the whole point of my thread. but then great folks like @Andread and @Gtreid come along to support the types of people who ruin trading for everyone.
     
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