Are Sours almost all the same?

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  1. Heretic42

    Heretic42 Savant (1,118) Aug 31, 2011 Texas

    Don't get me wrong, I agree that his blanket statement was a bit silly or to be generous, overenthusiastic, I was just curious where people put the other US sour brewers. FWIW, I definitely differentiate between sours and saisons. I do not consider Logsdon to be a "sour" brewery.
     
  2. Satchboogie

    Satchboogie Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Belgium
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    Not all sours have that much vinegar. There are plenty of softer sours out there (and plenty of Belgian Lambics) that don't have vinegar notes.
     
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  3. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    It's a legitimate question, not an "unsubstantiated statement." From my tasting, it seems like there are a lot of sours that are just so "vinegary" that you can't taste anything else. I leave it to the enthusiasts to taste the difference in lactic acid and acetic acid, and try to savor the ghost of a fruit flavor lost in a bacterial stew.
     
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  4. rab53

    rab53 Initiate (0) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    Many infected/sour beers taste similar due to the overwhelming background acidity (acetic, lactic, etc). I can appreciate a Flanders Oud Bruin, Berliner Weisse or other tart ale, but some sours are really one dimensional. As stated above, the same argument may be made for IPAs or Stouts.
     
  5. thegrimone

    thegrimone Initiate (0) Mar 12, 2011 Virginia

    As a person that doesn't like them, "YES". Truth no.
     
  6. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    Plus russian river, almanac, rare barrel.
     
  7. mlhyatt

    mlhyatt Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 Georgia

    Careful, you would deny the crown to those who have claim, for those you wish to see seated on the iron throne. A most perilous endeaver, I pray you.
     
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  8. beerdrinker123

    beerdrinker123 Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2010 Delaware

    Sounds like the OP is just gloating over his access to jester king sours and has been drinking them so much that he has lost interest in them because they have become so easily available to him.

    If you pay attention to the kind of sours jester king is doing, yes I see why they all taste the same to you, because its the exact same beer just different fruit for each variant.

    "Hey guys, these rare and hard to get sour beers and getting really old now and I don't even like them anymore, get jealous."
     
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  9. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    I don't really, either, but there are elements of "sour" in their beers, particularly Peche 'N Brett. It's less questionable than say HF or Side Project, whose saisons toe the line even more. Just in case it got lost in my post, I love JK, so don't get the wrong impression.

    Also, I forgot The Rare Barrel and Firestone Walker on my list, who are both worthy of consideration.
     
  10. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina

    I love Jester King, but LOL at them being the "King of Sours." I'm assuming this is trolling, no way anyone actually believes this.
     
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  11. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    A lot of American breweries use the same bacteria as well as some European breweries so similarities there are to be expected. Some modern brewers are just trying to make something as sour as possible which indeed will get you to similar tasting vinegar but judging a hugely wide style based on bad examples seems crazy.

    Also I am baffled that you singled out Jester King & Almanac which are among the best & more unique makers of sour beer in the USA. Jester King beer do have a hose style which isn’t the same to be being identical.

    “Sours” isn’t even a style but a catch-it all term for different style so depicting all of them the same is more than a bit odd. A Faro & an Oud Bruin have nothing in common just to give an example.
     
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  12. Beer-Zombie

    Beer-Zombie Pooh-Bah (1,769) Oct 16, 2007 Oregon
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    I might've been exaggerating on that ratio a bit lol. And whats with all the "quotations"?
     
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  13. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    Until you had all the real "sours" from Belgium, you are not going to understand that American versions of anything are usually just pushed to extremes....most are scared of real wild yeast also. RR and the like I am sure make good beer, but in my mind I always go with the team that invented them first.
     
  14. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Perhaps the dynamic is that sours from the same brewery taste the same
     
  15. jordanimal

    jordanimal Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2013 Ohio
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    must be hard to enjoy each and every single beer with this mindset. cheers.
     
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  16. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    No its easier. You know the best and try the rest. and each of us has to make those choices. No 1 is telling you what to do.
    All I am saying is taste the originals and how it evolved first. simple really. :grinning:

    mind set is all in your mind, not mine.:rolling_eyes:
     
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  17. Kanger

    Kanger Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2013 New York

    Nope - sours are definitely not the same.

    I've had some taste like cherry pie and others tastes like toe fungus.
     
  18. iwantmorehops

    iwantmorehops Zealot (739) Sep 25, 2010 Vermont

    Almanac makes the most boring uninspired sour beers I've ever had. Why anyone thinks this brewery is good is beyond me.
     
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  19. Beer-Zombie

    Beer-Zombie Pooh-Bah (1,769) Oct 16, 2007 Oregon
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    Haha grumpy little boy, you need to go take a nap.

    So I use the term king of beers loosely. Yes indeed I have all access to Jester King and they have become my local hero for brews. Didn't mean to get the pot stirring on everyone else's thoughts on the world's best sour makers. So ya, I guess its the extreme sours that are weighing in the same for me. But indeed, the clock doesn't stop ticking, I will still continue on my journey to broadening my knowledge on all beer styles. Sours included.
     
  20. elchicodelgado

    elchicodelgado Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Texas
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    I was quoting you.
     
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