Bicycles / Cycling and Beer

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Kurmaraja, Sep 23, 2014.

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  1. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    I'm sure everyone has noticed how much cycling type branding exists in the craft beer industry. Locally in Seattle we have a brewery called Peddler and one opening soon called Chainline. Both have bike imagery in their logos. Portland has Hopworks / HUB which has an "urban bike bar" and many other bike + beer events and connections. Elsewhere there are a ton of examples that I'm sure I'm unaware of. I recently received cans from Indeed with Let it Ride featuring a cyclist. Many breweries produce cycling jerseys. Some sponsor cycling events and teams.

    I am an avid cyclist and a pretty avid beer drinker. By avid, on the cycling front, I mean competitive. I race, I train daily, I put in anywhere from 14 hours a week on the bike to 20+ depending on the time of year.

    So that's the background. At first glance it seems obvious or, at least, not odd that there's a common connection. But being really into both, it actually does seem odd to me. I know a lot of runners that are big beer drinkers and there is very little running branding in beer. Cycling, as a whole, isn't really that popular. I still get harassed regularly on my bike both in the countryside and in the city; in the countryside it's more a cultural thing and in the city it's a resentment that people perceive bikes as causing traffic (as opposed to alleviating it) and getting in the way of cars. Football is obviously a popular sport, but there's very little football branding. The difference perhaps being that Football isn't mass participation while cycling sort of is. And when I meet most brewers I don't usually think "here are some fit / athletic folks that I expect to see riding their bikes around town." Ditto for most folks at breweries; I rarely meet any folks, even at breweries with a cycling brand connection, that are actually into cycling. Odd. When I think of cycling communities I think of three different communities that don't totally overlap: the young / urban "fixie" type crowd; the competitive, athletic crowd; the older commuter and / or touring crowd. And while I can see the desire for a brewery to appeal to a certain community through lifestyle, it really doesn't strike me that any of these are sufficiently large to sustain a brewery.

    These are random observations. But, summed up, I'm wondering why do so many breweries choose to connect to cycling? I know folks will think "why not" or "it's another niche" but that doesn't explain why it's NOT other things. Why not soccer? Why not running? Why not any other interest community that's much larger? Do you feel positive or indifferent when breweries have this association? Rarely is the integration deep - Hopworks / HUB being one exception but that makes sense with Portland being a very pro-bike town.

    Looking forward to your thoughts.
     
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  2. ASak10

    ASak10 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2014 Colorado

    Two crowds of cyclists that I think make it attractive to beer people (and makes them work well together):

    1. "Hipsters" (whatever that means) are often both into the bike scene (fixies and all that) and into beer. So it's natural to reach out to that group and try to draw them to your beer.

    2. The roadie crowd (of which I am a member): generally the roadie crowd is a dream niche for businesses to target - well-above average income, plenty of it disposable, with freedom to bike on a Saturday morning and then grab a pint with their riding buddies before heading home. Upper middle class males with disposable income and time to use it? Get them into your brewery!

    I will say that I do think breweries try to target other groups, like runners (a few breweries/bars around here have run clubs where you run together, then get free/discounted beer after).

    I think people who cycle just also happen to be people who like beer. I don't know what it exactly is, but almost every cyclist I know likes good beer. I think a lot of people who go into brewing also have a background in cycling and a love of it. For example, think of Oscar Blues...the owner started his own mountain bike company and this is from a release on their website:

    Cycling has always been a huge part of Oskar Blues’ culture and was a huge reason that soul-founder Dale Katechis chose Western North Carolina as the home for a second brewery. “Western North Carolina rings true with the same eclectic mountain energy that inspired Oskar Blues to put Dale’s Pale Ale in a can,” Katechis says.
     
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  3. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    I always thought the connection was that both cycling and craft brewing have an anti-establishment streak. In the former, a lot of enthusiasts, aside from their actual love of cycling, are making a statement about the role of the automobile (which is most certainly the establishment in the U.S., at least). In the latter, they're making a statement about mass-produced, low quality beer that the establishment drinks much of. Not too surprised to see the two sides collaborate, particularly in areas with high concentrations of young folks (i.e., Portland -- "Where young people go to retire!")

    (Running, by the way, is not particularly rebellious/anti-establishment. It's jogging. It's 1970s. It's Bill Clinton going for runs along the Potomac, flanked by the Secret Service. It's therefore a less natural bedfellow for craft beer.)
     
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  4. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

  5. mccorvey

    mccorvey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 North Carolina

    Funny how the 2 go hand in hand for some reason. I love mountain biking and drinking lots of beer.
     
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  6. Kanger

    Kanger Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2013 New York

  7. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Main reason: As far as I am aware, there are no laws about drinking and cycling.
     
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  8. ASak10

    ASak10 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2014 Colorado

    Actually not true, you can get a DUI/DWI for riding a bike while intoxicated. The more you know.

    *Laws vary from state to state, consult a local attorney.*
     
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  9. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    I ride to work regularly year round as much as I can. It is how I get around and always have ever since I started riding to school in grade 5.

    I absolutely crave a beer after I get home from a ride.

    DC is a great cycling commuter city, but there is a war nearly going down here between riders amd motorists. It is very dangerous at times with many feeling entitled. It didnt help that an editorial declaring war was written either.

    But getting around that way and too the pub and home is great. I can occasionaly run into other riders in the bar as well, while we might be wearing our jerseies and lids talking about our day. Every town has a different culture itself for cycling there is a mix of fixie no break bo lid wearing groups, serious classic urban competitive people who use their commute as a race track, and then me as a big old slugger happy to go around.

    A real nice beer after a ride is a great reward.
     
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  10. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    Very WRONG. It varies as someone mentioned, although the penalties are sometimes not as severe.

    Never bike while drunk..

    And if you also ride a motorcycle as I do, dont ever drink and ride period (cause we know that never happens..right? )
     
  11. ASak10

    ASak10 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2014 Colorado

    Actually, they often are as severe, simply because there aren't separate car DUI laws and bike DUI laws. The reason you can get a DUI while on a bike is because many (most?) states define a bicycle as a "vehicle" and, as such, they fall under the purview of the DUI statutes, so the penalties would be the same (at least from a technical standpoint...realistically, I think you are correct in that the DA may exercise more discretion when giving a plea deal for a bike DUI vs. a car DUI).
     
  12. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    I suppose one piece I didn't think through is geography. When we think of the brewing hotbeds - Pacific Northwest (Portland / Bend / Seattle), parts of California, Colorado, etc - many are also outdoor activity hotbeds. From what I can see in Colorado you also have a lot of "ski" themed beers. So I guess while I was thinking "the cycling community really isn't large enough to be a great target" I was thinking nationally. In these smaller active communities, it probably is.

    Also interesting to see how this may bifurcate with more urban breweries. Will urban breweries focus more on the urban / youth "fixie" type crowd? I would assume so since that's the demographic they have to target.
     
  13. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    I didn't think I was correct but now at least I am sure I wasn't.
     
  14. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    I didn't think I was correct but now at least I am sure I wasn't.
     
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  15. ASak10

    ASak10 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2014 Colorado

    I agree with the regional thing, Colorado being a great example (just because I live here so I know it to be true). Mountain bikers are another great example of a target group that is easy to get to, likes doing stuff (being outdoors, being around other mountain bikers, getting together after a ride to talk shop), and is out and about anyway to ride - why not throw a beer in the mix?
     
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  16. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Roadie here. Also train and race a lot, and also a massive fan of beer like you OP.

    I agree - doesn't always seem like a natural marriage, but I'm not complaining!

    Sam from Other Half Brewing (a brewery that recently opened in Brooklyn, that's cranking out some awesome beer), used to race for Rapha Continental I believe. But yeah I agree - generally speaking most people in the beer world wouldn't be mistaken for a pro cyclist at first glance.

    Agreed with others regarding the urban / track bike ties in larger cities. But that's a newer phenomenon.

    To me, rightly or wrongly, I've always associated the brewery / cycling partnership with the more casual cyclist. Not the guy who races every weekend and puts in 1,000+ miles a month. More the casual rider, who perhaps does the odd grand fondo, or organizes the occasional long ride or trip with his mates. I feel like those are the guys that tend to buy the brewery shirts, and in turn could be involved with beer/brewing themselves.
     
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  17. mccorvey

    mccorvey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 North Carolina

    What on earth is a "fixie"?
     
  18. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado



    Is your focus on where the brewery is located? Do the PNW, CA & CO breweries have more cycling themed beers? It makes sense that the breweries in these areas would feature cycling, but many of them have national or widespread distribution out of their areas so it may not be to target a demographic in their area, it may just be an interest of the brewer or owner of the brewery. After all, Coors does have the mountains.
     
  19. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    fixed gear bike. no gears and no freewheel (and also if you're a purist, no brake, as the pedalling rate [along with some well-executed skids] directly controls speed due to lack of freewheel)
     
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  20. mccorvey

    mccorvey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 North Carolina

    Nice...... thanks!
     
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