T58 Dry Yeast Review

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  1. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    Hey Folks,

    I just wanted to do a review of a yeast strain I have experimented with a few times.

    I have done two beers, one Singel/Enkel and another Belgian IPA (maybe IIPA).

    I brew lots of Belgian stuff, mostly using Wyeast smack packs. About a year ago I thought I would try using the stuff on a one gallon on Enkel (the other five were fermented as a saison). I was impressed with the result and decided to try it on an belgian IPA to see if it could handle a higher ABV.

    Overall I was quite pleased with the results. Attenuation of about 80-85% in both cases, both beers were 90% pilsner, 10% sugar, with fermentation at 70F. I got a good amount of esters, in particular bananas and some spiceness. Overall good phenolics. I could see the yeast being used in just about any Belgian recipe quite well. The one drawback was that floccuation sucked. The beer has a huge haze. That doesn't really bug me, but if its for competition it might bug some.

    In conclusion I was satisfied with the results. I find this dry yeast to be a suitable substitute for liquid products. If you don't like building starters or buying 2 smackpacks in order to brew good Belgian beer, T58 is worth a try at least once.

    Just thought I would share my experience. I often find people seek lots of advice (and give it) on here, but then fail to share outcomes.
     
  2. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I first used that yeast when it was included in a Belgian Ale extract with steeping grains-type kit. I was very impressed with the flavor characteristics it produced. It may have been one of my first really successful batches of home brew.
     
  3. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I have used it once on a pale ale split batch. I was very happy with the beer. The cloudiness drops with time. Not sure I would target this yeast for my Belgians but will not rule it out for split batches. Take care.
     
  4. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Did you manage to reuse your yeast, fermenting harvesting and fermenting again ?
     
  5. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    No I didn't for 2-3 bucks and envelope I wouldn't. Thats the beauty of the product.
     
  6. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Relay a good test gos on 2th and 3rd yeast generation
     
  7. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    Are you trying to say that a good test of how good a yeast is, is by evaluating second and third generation?
     
  8. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I am try to say is in order to test or judge yeast you might wanna let neutral selection to play a roll in the yeast.
     
  9. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    My experience with T-58 was similar in that "I liked it." Did not find the beers to come out as dry as my goto saison yeast, 3711, nor attenuation nearly so high (well duh, 3711 is the BEAST). But the higher residual sweetness can have advantages for some brews. I'd say brewing the same beer twice and changing the yeast from your usual to T-58 is your best way to try this one out. I doubt there will be much in the way of disappointment.
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I would say that wouldn't be correct. I'd say that using it the first time, from a pure pitching stand point would showcase what the intended results would be.

    Subsequent pitches would have some mutation between generations that could skew it from the original pitch.
     
  11. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Does anyone no what brewery this comes from?
     
  12. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Don't know what brewery, although De Struise use it in pannepot. I've used it a few times and think it's pretty good, it's also the cheapest yeast for some reason, only £1.50 a pack here compared to WL vials which are £6.50. Which is nice

    As for reusing it, I think I've read that it's a good idea for dried yeast if you want to compare it to the liquid equivalents, due to the way they are produced. I've never reused that one though as I've only brewed big beers with it
     
  13. gotweid

    gotweid Initiate (0) May 9, 2007 Michigan

    I decided to try something different for my Belgian Blonde and used it for the 1st time this weekend. Pitched @ 65. Anyone out there use this multiple times? I'm curious how this yeast has impacted your beers at different fermenting temps.
     
  14. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Everything you smell and taste in the first pitch will gradually be more intense with successive pitches. My maximum tolerance for this yeast was three pitches.
     
  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What is the mechanism for "more intense with successive pitches"? I have never heard this before.
     
  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I have no idea what the mechanism is, but this is something I notice with many yeasts. So the following is purely anecdotal experience.

    A good example that everyone should be able to relate to is a professional beer using Chico yeast. A fresh pitch of Chico should be clean and neutral. When you pitch a pack of S-05 or Wy1056, the end result is malt and hops. It's like the yeast isn't even there. Many breweries that reuse Chico countless times do not consistently make a beer with a neutral yeast character.

    Reuse of yeast can also be your friend. Trying to make a really good Belgian strong ale that has a yeast character comparable to the real deal? It's hard to do on the first pitch unless you under pitch which many people can't imagine doing since the inception of the Mr Malty calculator. Pitch number two and three will be closer to the real deal unless there is an over pitch. I've had much better results from under pitching Belgians than pitching the "right" amount of yeast according to a calculator.
     
  17. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I sort of agree and can see where you are coming from.
     
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  18. Mike_Aguirre

    Mike_Aguirre Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2015 Mexico

    That´s our favorite yeast here in the brewery :grinning: we love it.
     
  19. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Can't find a cheaper ($2.49/sachet) or better Wit yeast : )
     
  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I used it in a wheat beer, expecting something wit-like. It was a tasty beer, but in a blind test, I would have guessed it was made with a hefeweizen strain.
     
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