Hello just wanted to warn everyone of a bad trader. I agreed to a trade from @brewer7777777 for a 4 pack of Baxter Daughters of Poseiden. In return I sent him a couple fresh IPA's from Pipeworks. The trade was agreed upon on June 6th and my package was delivered to him around June 19th. I never received my end and have had no response from him since. It is now October and I am very disappointed as I really wanted to try that beer.
Sorry to hear this. He had good feedback and everything. Since he hasnt been on the website have you tried texting/calling?
Thank you for that. No he actually never gave any other info other than his shipping address. I also found that very strange that he has been in limbo for so long however he was definitely on in between the delivery of my package and his last check in on BA.
Side note if anyone still has this beer I would love to try it so please contact me I'm sure I can grab you something from the Chicagoland that's worthwhile!
fyi, edited the thread title to include the trader's name. he's not logged in since the end of june, so i fear you're sans pagiae. anyone know @brewer7777777 ?
Kind of what I figured. Either way I figured I would let BA's know so they can make educated choices if he ever surfaces again.
We should all note that this guy had under ten trades and no site activity, and OP did not get any contact info beyond BA username. This is why I ask for folks to send first under ten trades and/or on site less than a year, and ALWAYS get phone number and email
That's a good suggestion. Definitely the first person on here that I've come across that wasn't a pleasure to deal with. My only negative trading experience.
I've traded with many 0 feedback traders and every one came through. Most became long-term partners. My only bad experience was from a trader with 32 100% positive AND someone I traded with once already! I give very little weight to low feedback counts. Phone number and email are must have info for me, along with accepted trade request.
I hear ya A, but if we did a survey do you think folks with zero/ low site participation and under ten trades have a better track record than folks with 32 trades and 100% positive? I would bet my last dollar the under ten trades/low site participation folks have a poorer track record. By a lot.
I agree Dave, that's for sure that higher trade count would probably means less likely. I just think the difference is negligible and there is no real magic number that can guarantee 100%. What's the difference in chance of getting screwed over by someone with 9 vs someone with 11 if 10 is the cutoff? Vs. 2? I venture to guess not very much so 10 is just as arbitrary as 2. For me, asking even with someone with 3 to ship first is already too harsh, let alone 10. I mentioned before that I'd prefer taking a risk of losing beers over strarting out a trade relationship without trust. Maybe no trade history and joined within the last couple of months worth taking some cautions over, but generally could be reassured in negotiation.
There are no guarantees, all we can do is try to tilt the odds in our favor. I guess that is my point with a cutoff, that is indeed arbitrary, as you point out, but it would be arbitrary at any other point too. My opinion is it makes sense to have different rules for folks new to trading and to the site than you do for veterans with great feedback, and I still believe stats would back me
When I was new to trading it was important to me to ship 1st. Absconding with the beer is only one potential problem. Another is poor packing. Inexperienced shippers can think their packing is extremely secure when it's a disaster waiting to happen. In my early trades that was my biggest concern & I wanted my bottles safely in the other guys' hands before they shipped to me. I'm still far from the most proficient trader but I've acquired some valuable experience & honed those shipping skills a bit. I've only ever asked another trader to ship 1st a couple of times. My personal criteria are the combination of little to no fb and bottles I'd reallllly hate to lose. One trader that I asked to ship 1st quickly agreed & then was very accommodating with other concerns/requests that I had. Everything went smoothly but it became apparent that he not only has far more beer knowledge & experience, he is also a far more experienced trader & shipper, however his stats didn't reflect that.
@JavaNoire know how to pack! I picked up a trick or two. On a side note.........I will be sending out a box to you this week, hopefully dropped off tomorrow.
Out of sheer boredom I compiled these stats. Take it with a grain of course, as some of these people were brought over from the old list, and this is only the trades using the feedback system. Trades Complete / # of users with negative feedback 0-5: 12 6-10: 9 11-20: 5 20-50: 2 50-100: 1 100+: 1 10 or 20 seems to be a reasonable arbitrary # for reduced risk. I wouldnt ask someone with 10 to ship first though, I dont even have 10, at least not on the new system. My guess would be most people not using the system and having negative experiences are in the 0-20 range. Of course you also have veterans / long term partners who trade with each other who dont use it as well.
You are missing a data point to make those numbers make sense. without the number of people in each category the numbers are meaningless. For example there could be 100 people in 0-5 and 300 people in 6-10... meaning in 0-5 12% have a bad rep and in 6-10 3% have a bad rep... Just saying
With these stats I also find it interesting that the "OK" rating is basically meaningless. It doesn't show up in their percentages, it just falls through the cracks. There's very little incentive to give that rating even though it's often appropriate. It seems like people - myself included - end up thinking "well, the beer showed up eventually as agreed upon ... so they're not technically a BAD trader ... but they're not particularly good." I think there's some real room to improve the trade feedback by incentivizing people to give OKs and explain when appropriate. This would probably reveal previous issues with a lot of these "32 good trades and then something went wrong" folks.
Interesting & a good point. Though I think it could go the other way too - the "OK" rating could be used by traders annoyed at the quality or quantity of extras, for example. Personally, I consider any trade "good" when the promised beer shows up intact & on time. Glancing back over 300+ trades there are only 5 guys I'd give an "OK" rating to, all because they were at least two weeks late in shipping...which I hate, but I eventually got my beer & there was no need for 'outing' to make them cough up. As with any system, the devil's in the details. People may reasonably disagree as to when to give an "OK" rating, but the importance lies in the consistency. Right now it's consistently not being used.
