IPAs - Past, Present, and Future

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  1. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah

    In my opinion, the IPA scene is a microcosm of the Craft Beer Scene in general, experiencing rapid growth over the past few years (using that time frame loosely as it applies to both scenes). Some of my favorite IPAs of the past have gone from critically-acclaimed to lost-in-the-shuffle in just a short time, due to the ever changing IPA landscape. In particular, the types and quantities of hops used to make IPAs have changed wildly, and the current scene now includes IPAs of all ABVs and colors.
    1. What are your favorite IPAs of the past/present?
    2. How do your former favorite IPAs compare to your current favorites, and what's changed about you or about the IPA scene itself?
    3. What are your thoughts about the future of IPAs?
    4. Is there an IPA bubble (and when's it going to burst :wink:)?
     
  2. Das_Reh

    Das_Reh Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2013 Florida

    1 = Two Hearted, Jai Alai, Sculpin, Dirtwolf
    2 = My favorites have not changed, and probably won't for a very long time.
    3 = IPA's don't seem to be as popular as they used to be, but they still seem to be the most prevalent and popular style brewed.
    4 = Not sure what you're referring to...
     
  3. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Favorites: DFH 60-minute IPA, Heavy Seas Loose Cannon

    My favorites are subject to change--I admit that while I enjoy IPAs they're not my favorite style and so I haven't sought out many of the top-rated IPAs.

    My opinion is that IPAs aren't going anywhere; in that sense there's not a "bubble" and they will always be extremely popular. However, I do think that other styles will catch up to them and maybe even surpass them in terms of craft beer popularity. I think that will be good for the popularity of craft beer in general and in gaining new converts from the BMC world because no one will think that you have to like IPAs to be a craft beer person.
     
  4. deadliest

    deadliest Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Texas

    The future of IPA's will arrive when someone invents the Invisible Malt, and the industry can finally create the hop tea so many crave.
     
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  5. MisSigsFan

    MisSigsFan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 California

    1. Sculpin, Enjoy By, Sucks, Dirt Wolf, Jai Alai, Blazing World
    2. I used to love extremely pine forward IPAs like Stone IPA and while I still enjoy them, I feel like my palate just doesn't seem to pick up on those pine notes anymore. I used to love the hop bombs, but now I look for a nice balance. The original "C" hops all seem boring and stale compared to the newer hops like Citra, Simcoe, Mosaic, Nelson, etc...
    3. I agree with Das_Reh. IPAs don't seem as popular anymore. Gose and other sours seem like they're catching on a lot more now. The IPA is definitely still heading in that super tropical fruit forward direction. I think they'll be less about IBUs and more about "juiciness".
    4. As long as new hop varieties continue to be bred, I don't think we'll see the "bubble" burst. Hop breeders will always come up with new and exciting ideas.
     
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  6. TheodorHerzl

    TheodorHerzl Savant (1,001) Mar 30, 2007 Indiana

    Who couldn't use some more colors and more BS marketing?

    Brewer- "I brewed a pale ale."

    Owner - "No, you brewed a session IPA. Next week you are brewing a brown for our IBA, and next week you are brewing a pale lager we are calling an India Pale Lager. And for Easter you are brewing an IPBA, our new India pale bock ale."
     
  7. Andrew041180

    Andrew041180 Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    What are your favorite IPAs of the past/present?

    Past would be Dogfish Head 60/90. Present is currently in flux. Torpedo and Finestkind are up there. Recently came into possession of some Two Hearted that I am really enjoying. Heady Topper too. Many of the newer IPAs have actually turned me off recently.

    How do your former favorite IPAs compare to your current favorites, and what's changed about you or about the IPA scene itself?


    Went from more malt-focused to more hop focused and am now trying to determine what makes a balanced IPA. I had a brief fling with tropical IPAs and now steer away from them.

    What are your thoughts about the future of IPAs?


    The future is bright.

    Is there an IPA bubble (and when's it going to burst :wink:)?

    Difficult to pin-point an IPA bubble, since there is so much variety within the style. I think there may be mini-bubbles within the style. Tropical may yield back to citrus, or pine, or malt, etc.
     
  8. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    The point about your favorite IPA's getting lost in the shufle is interesting. I just had a Bridgeport for the first time in a while and I forgot just how good a basic, classic IPA can be. I'm all for innovation and pushing the boundaries and 100 IBU's. But I hope there is always room for IPA's that are for lack of a better word "normal".
     
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  9. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Now that we've had some good responses, I'd like to come back with my own two cents:

    1) When I first got into IPAs about 6 years ago, I was drinking the Stone offerings available at the time. I liked Torpedo a lot, but then I had Heady Topper and it kicked off my IPA epiphany!

    2) Fast forward a few years, now I'm drinking the likes of Double Dose, 077xx, and Hi-Res, and I find that they stack up to or are even better than the likes of former greats like PtE. There are so many great DIPAs that I can't even keep track of them, and I am actually starting to lose my love for Heady in the mix. DIPAs that would have been amazing 6 years ago now seem kinda boring to me. I need more citrus, more pine, more floral, more tropical, more lemon pepper, MOAR HOPS in order to be impressed with a DIPA.

    3) Personally, I fear that I will get to a point where if I'm not drinking a top tier IPA, I'm not drinking any IPA at all. I honestly don't even get excited for PtE anymore. I often try new IPAs that are released to find the next big thing, but I really can't appreciate the more mild offerings within the style.

    4) At some point, I think the IPA bubble will burst - for lack of a better term - and people will get bored of the style. I don't think the sheer craziness of the style will allow the popularity of the style to persist. IPAs won't go away, but the bubble will burst when the majority of craft brewers no longer feel obligated to keep an India Pale something in their portfolio.


    *edit - this thread helps make my point: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/double-dose-rated-higher-than-enjoy-by.124127/
    HopDevil makes way for PtE makes way for Enjoy By makes way for Double Dose. Who remembers a time when HopDevil was the "IT" india pale ale
     
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  10. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Hybrid Lagers/Ales are the wave of the future!
     
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  11. TheodorHerzl

    TheodorHerzl Savant (1,001) Mar 30, 2007 Indiana

    I'd buy you a round for getting the joke! Cheers!
     
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  12. halo3one

    halo3one Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2014 Georgia

    1. PtE, Nelson, Julius, Permanent Funeral
    2. Weaker, more one note, not as hoppy
    3. The future is now?
    4. Mild bubble
     
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  13. smanson56

    smanson56 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Feb 15, 2014 New Hampshire
    Pooh-Bah

    1. Mastermind, 2nd Fiddle, The Crusher, Triple Sunshine These in my mind are all great but different in many ways. There is no rank to my list.
    2. There are so many DIPA's out there and I am trying to try them all. But for the present the it must be something in the water in Vermont that makes them stand out.
    3. The Future is always open, when some announces a new IPA that will be out I try to hunt it down if possible.
    4. I hope I die before the bubble bursts!
     
  14. SoulFroosh

    SoulFroosh Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2014 Maine

    Oh, an IPA thread.....


    (just kidding, back to your thread)
     
  15. Harnkus

    Harnkus Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 New York

    In short, I really enjoy the evolution towards golden IPAs with low bitterness and soft texture.
     
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  16. SteveB24

    SteveB24 Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2013 New York

    1. Torpedo, Hop Devil, sculpin
    2. Been avoiding IPA's lately only because I had so many of them compared to other styles that im currently exploring.
    3. Not worried about the future of IPA's.
    4. No comment
     
  17. coldy

    coldy Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2010 Delaware

    IPA seems to be the cool thing to be in to. My favorite is 120 DFH. I dont know that there is a burst in sight, but I think many people have tastes that evolve and they discover other styles.
     
  18. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    1. Deuchars
    2. Deuchars went downhill (apparently); also Two Hearted came along
    3. The single-most lasting "craft" contribution to world brewing
    4. (See 3.)
     
  19. Hopdaemon39

    Hopdaemon39 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2011 New York

    1. I started out really into Sierra Nevada Celebration and Victory Hop Devil.
    2. I still love celebration but hop devil seems a little too malt forward for my taste, so my tastes have become more and more geared towards intense pine and grapefruit bitterness. Dreadnought and Heady Topper all the way!
    3. Whoever said the IPA would turn it to IP-Eveerything is unfortunately right, though I hope we'll continue to see better local regional IPAs where the big dogs either aren't abailable or arent fresh enough.
    4. Not for a long time but I think the "fad" will fade at some point.
     
  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    • What are your favorite IPAs of the past/present?
    Right now my new favorite thing is Ballantine IPA. Other faves are Dirt Wolf, Maximus, Ruination, Celebration, Union Jack, Burton Baton. Others that I've had on select occasions but thoroughly been impressed by include Double Sunshine, Pliny the Elder and Hop Drop and Roll.
    • How do your former favorite IPAs compare to your current favorites, and what's changed about you or about the IPA scene itself?

    There are no 'formers', but more will get added to the list. Then it just becomes a matter of frequency of purchase. (The only qualifier is if there are consistency issues- that's when I tend to look elsewhere). I still enjoy the different takes equally, from English to American, from soft and fruity to dry and bitter, from piney to tropical, etc.
    • What are your thoughts about the future of IPAs?

    New hops featured in ways to show them at their best, hopefully even including the development of newer compatible yeast signatures as well.
    • Is there an IPA bubble (and when's it going to burst :wink:)?

    The only 'bubble burst' will be that, thankfully, brewers will no longer have to include one in their lineup to get attention. Then the only ones that will go by the wayside will be the unremarkable ones, and those that have a following will remain.
     
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