Tripel vs. Saison

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  1. BeerZombies1

    BeerZombies1 Savant (1,105) Jan 20, 2014 Nevada
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    Trying to find out the differences between the two styles. Everything I search comes up pretty much the same. Only thing I'm finding much in difference is the SRM and ABV. Any help would be appreciated.
     
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  2. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Just off the top of my head, I'd say there's much less of a yeasty, estery mouthfeel and taste in a tripel, and it's sweeter and can be more hopped than a saison. I agree though that sometimes these beers, and many others, can be hard to differentiate.
     
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  3. drocpsu

    drocpsu Zealot (613) Dec 25, 2006 New Hampshire

    I find that saisons tend to be much earthier and funkier at times, compared to tripels. Tripels have much more candi-sweetness going on. I love them both, but prefer tripels.
     
  4. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    In general, saisons are very dry, have less malt presence, more perceived bitterness, lower perception of alcohol, are more carbonated, and are more likely to have some sort of wild yeast influence.

    A saison should be refreshing. More refreshing than a Wit or Tripel, and would make a great replacement for a pilsner during the summer. They can be similar to Orval, or a lower gravity Duvel, but also some can seem like a drier more refreshing Tripel.
     
  5. mikeburd1128

    mikeburd1128 Maven (1,409) Oct 28, 2011 New Jersey

    On the surface, the two styles do have a lot of similarities. Both should be light in color, moderate in mouthfeel, and should have a nice, sturdy head. The differences start to appear in the taste though. Tripels are, for the most part, spicy, fruity, and sweet. Saisons are just such *****s - and typically don't adhere to the strict style guidelines that tripels do. They can really be anything and everything. Predominant flavors can be earthy, funky, tart, as well as just your typical barnyard hay kinda thing. But I think ultimately, in my opinion, saisons tend to be a lot dryer than tripels.
     
  6. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Definitely some crossover territory here - see Tide and her Takers
    Not sure if a Saison can be over 8.5%, but Tripels can go to 10+
     
  7. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Saison is a style that is pretty diverse (use of spices/airborne yeast complexity). They were used as a nice dry and refreshing brew for farmers in the summer months and had around 3 - 6 percent ABV.

    Tripels are pretty much just a strong pale ale. I believe it might have gotten the name from the use of three times the malt to make up the Gravity of the brew.
     
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  8. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
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    Another difference is that saisons have added ingredients more often than tripels. For example, I recently had Dogfish Head's Saison du Buff which has parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme.
     
  9. trxxpaxxs

    trxxpaxxs Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2010 New York

    Tripels just have triple the abv. But otherwise... they are basically the exact same thing.













    :wink:
     
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  10. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina

    It was touched on above, but one huge difference is the amount of carbonation. Saisons are generally one of the most highly carbonated styles out there (especially brett saisons, but even non-brett varieties). Whereas tripels are fairly low on the carbonation scale.
     
  11. Terp96

    Terp96 Zealot (733) Oct 18, 2004 North Carolina

    No. Not at all.
     
  12. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Pooh-Bah (2,213) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Saisons can have more complex grain bills, whereas tripels are typically just pils malt. Saisons seldom use candi sugar, which tripels use pretty consistently. Saison yeast, as well, is a little more volatile & can throw off more spicy phenols & fruity esters.

    Saisons vary so widely that a part of their "territory" can overlap with & resemble tripels.
     
  13. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I think there is a noticeable difference. Tripel is a fairly established style with certain expectations. If a Tripel doesn't taste pretty close to Westmalle, then you're going to be a little surprised and disappointed.

    Saisons, on the other hand, have a huge amount of variation. They were originally relatively low ABV, yet some of the most famous examples we have (e.g. Dupont) are relatively high ABV - putting them close to Tripel territory. As Tripel originally referred to strength, you can't really have a low ABV version; you can certainly have a low ABV Saison.

    That variation extends far past ABV, as well. Many Saisons are very sweet, and much closer IMO to a Belgian Pale Ale. Others are drier and spicier. Still others are funky. Many Saisons are highly carbonated, and many are peppery.

    I think the yeast is a big factor, as well. A Tripel should use Tripel yeast, and that in turn imparts an immediately identifiable flavor and aroma. It's unique enough that I immediately recognized that yeast in Lil' Sumpin' Sumpin' WILD!, despite having no idea beforehand that's what was going on (I was expecting something funky, maybe sour).

    A Saison? The yeast is obviously important, but I don't feel that there is a single, unique strain that I identify with the style.

    In short, other than both being pale, Belgian, yeasty, and sometimes on the sweeter side, I see them as distinctly different styles - far, far more than there is between, say, a Dubbel and a Quad (to reference a separate thread).
     
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  14. trxxpaxxs

    trxxpaxxs Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2010 New York

    :wink:
     
  15. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I have to say that the answers in this thread are so diverse and non-comprehensive that I don't think anyone has clarified this issue for @BeerZombies1. I have my opinions of the differences between the styles, but I fear that within the current backdrop of conflicting responses it won't be any more conclusive. Therefore I will just link to published reference materials for the styles.

    BA's description of saison: http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/129/
    BA's description of tripel: http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/58/

    Beer Judge Certification Program (BJCP) style guidlines (see page 22 for Saison and 27 for [Belgian] Tripel): http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2008_Guidelines.pdf
     
  16. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Saison was never a style, it was just the beer brewed for quenching the thirst of farm workers later in the season.Almost all around 3 or 4% ABV for drinking in very large quantitites.Their equivalents in England were allowed 17 pints a day.
     
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  17. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    I've tried my share of Saisons and Tripels. They don't taste the same at all. I really like Tripels, but don't care for Saisons. Don't confuse Tripels with Belgian Strong Pale Ale, they're nothing alike. To me Tripels taste more like Imperial Witbiers.
     
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  18. JAPack521

    JAPack521 Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2013 California

    I hear craft people say all the time that they don't care for saisons, which I think is crazy! I think they are the most underrated style of beer. Their beauty is in their subtlety, and the fact that they pair well with almost any food. Seriously, get a few saisons and serve them with your next fancy meal! So good!
     
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  19. precariouslydaniel

    precariouslydaniel Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2013 Virginia

    Tripel: strong golden belgian ale, typically spiced, often brewed by abbeys.

    Saison: generally less strong, sometimes golden/sometimes not, Belgian ale with an earthy, funk element, heavy citrus and w a heavier use of hops than most other Belgian styles.
     
  20. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    The one word I'd generally use to describe Tripels is "rich." Saisons tend to be somewhat light and refreshing, while Tripels are heavier and sweeter.
     
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