IPA Shelf Life

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  1. Reds76

    Reds76 Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2014 Maine

    The way I understand it is that IPA's were originally made to withstand the long journey by boat from England/Europe to India. Most of the great IPA's - that I love - talk about drinking it as fresh as possible and seem to have a shorter shelf life than other beers that can actually be aged. Do modern IPA's really have a shorter shelf life than original sea faring IPA's or do they just taste better fresh? If they do have a shorter shelf life, what IPA's have people found that taste the best and last the longest?
     
  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    The original IPAs (according to the almost legend... hard to say how truthful it is) had higher alcohol than what people normally drank and more hops, both to act as a kind of preservative for the long journey. The extreme hoppiness everyone wants today was not desired originally, so the fading of the hops was a good thing. Also, the beer was typically watered down upon arrival to weaken the ABV. Or, so I've read.
     
  3. WTKeene

    WTKeene Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 New Mexico

    Yes the IPAs of Yester-year used hops as preservation to survive the long trip. American IPAs of today use hops for their flavor, and while they'll still preserve the beer for months and months, the delicate hop oils will fade long before then. So shelf-life is still the same as far as "Can I drink this beer without getting scurvy/some other disease only englishmen get" but as far as "Will it taste like eating a bar of soap dipped in orange juice" yeah the shelf life is a lot shorter.
     
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  4. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    @marquis or @jesskidden will be able to cite sources, I'm sure, but that story of IPA origin is a myth. IPAs these days focus heavily on delicate floral/fruity flavors from late addition hops. These flavors/aromas tend to fade quite quickly, especially if not refrigerated/kept out of light.

    I find that canned IPAs tend to last longer than their bottled counterparts e.g. Heady, Abrasive, Daisy Cutter, Anti-Hero, Jai Alai, etc.
     
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  5. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Hops contain antimicrobial properties that kept beer from spoilage back in those days. Higher hopping rates meant a more stable export and less spoiled casks. That was good for business (& beer quality).

    Now with todays sanitary practices, pasteurization and overall understanding of microbiology, IPA exists as solely for consumer tastes & yes you are right that hop character is best presented fresh.
     
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  6. rden4654

    rden4654 Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2014 Ohio

    Personally I would save the trip through my system and take any Dipa, IPA and APA over to the drain and pour....Man I really hate that stuff!!!
     
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  7. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    the British didn't have American IPAs to be sent to India. Different hops. Different shelf life for volatile aromas and flavors. Almost none of that old lore applies.
     
  8. StLeasy

    StLeasy Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2013 Illinois

    Stone dates their "Enjoy By" beers 35 days after bottling for a reason. Even just 35 days makes a huge difference if stored warm, you can see for yourself. Take a year-round IPA you enjoy, and set it aside for a few months. Then, find it fresh, and try them side by side. Cheers! :slight_smile:
     
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  9. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    Yes and yes. Modern, Craft-Brewed I.P.A. of the American stripe (includes BrewDog and the like) ought be consumed as fresh as possible and probably no more than two months past the date of bottling -three if you want to stretch it- with fresh hop variants being best in an even more restrictive time span than that one.

    Why is this? It's the preference of the modern age, or more to specifically, contemporary tastes within that style of beer.

    Some Double IPA ("IIPA", if you prefer) can hold up a little bit longer than 'average' (4.5 - 7.5%) strength I.P.A., but not that much longer, in truth -- maybe another couple or even three or four months. You don't generally hear BAs or other beer hobbyists clamoring for eight month old or older DIPA!

    At any rate, no matter what, the matter of preference for age on this style is all subjective and a matter of personal preference -- whether in be from the perspective of the brewmaster or the end user. :slight_smile:
     
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  10. Kaz_DemonKnight

    Kaz_DemonKnight Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2014 Illinois

    Im not trying to sound like a weirdo or freak, but having Heady Topper the first day was the best thing I have ever drank in my entire life. Water, soda, juice, wine, cider, beer, whatever. It was a roller coaster of hop flavor. Two days later, it was still an amazing beer. And still better than any IPA I have ever had. But it tasted very different and I actually prefer it the first day right of the shelf. My point is, fresh IPA's definitely does matter. Hoppy Beer can change daily. I have actually become very picky with buying IPA's and Pale Ale's. The fresher they are, the better.
     
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  11. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    In fact they were generally weaker than milds.Ron Pattinson's research of brewing records reveals no IPA stronger than around 7% ABV and if it had not been for tax reasons it would have been brewed at around 4.5% , this being considered the ideal strength.
    There's no evidence at all that it was watered down , the troops in any way drank Porter. Twice as much Porter - also massively hopped - was shipped to India as IPA.
    One feature of those old IPAs was their extreme attenuation , all trace of sweetness had been fermented out.This also helped preserve it because there was nothing for the bugs to feed on.
     
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  12. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Also worth pointing out that the wildly differing "shelf life" you're questioning, between the original IPA and the modern American IPA, is not an apples to apples comparison. One is about not spoiling on a long journey. The other is about beer geeks getting their maximum hop fix. The modern IPA can last for ages from a survivability perspective.
     
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  13. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Good point about attenuation. Also, all of the hops were added at the beginning of the boil to maximize their utilization (and minimize the aroma)- many modern IPA drinkers likely wouldn't recognize them as being related to one another.
     
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  14. Reds76

    Reds76 Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2014 Maine

    Kaz - That's exactly what got me thinking about this a while ago - I had Heady the day after it was canned and it was out of control amazing. Still great a week later but not the same - similar experience with Dinner. That experience with my (very) basic historical knowledge of "India Pale Ale's" and their long journey by ship - was not adding up. All these posts have been great and make a lot of sense - the older style and what they were trying to achieve vs. todays glorious hop bombs!
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    One should read the Zythophile blog, the Shut up About Barklay Perkins blog, or Mitch Steele's IPA Book. These all have researched facts that refute what most learn about IPA from the popular internet narrative and myths.
     
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  16. hopley

    hopley Pooh-Bah (2,912) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I once heard that Steve Kimmich, owner of The Alchemist, said that the best time to drink Heady is a week after canning. But I agree with you - best on canning date but still spectacular even three months later (haven't gone further than that).
     
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  17. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I have read a couple of articles posted in the Zythophile blog; the problem is, there are not very many actual facts to be had one way or the other there, at least not in his IPA Myth articles. He says things like "no historian" or "the troops drank" without providing any proof, either. Of course, he may have all the actual facts with proof elsewhere, but researching this is not something that really trips my trigger. I'm happy with recounting the "history" while acknowledging they may in fact be legends. It really doesn't matter much, since it is clear that the American IPA does not have much in common with the 18th century IPAs, anyway.
     
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  18. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    IPA shelf life really depends on how fresh tasting and smelling you want those hops. Its still going to be bitter and pale but the smell and flavor will slowly change.
    These days people want the big fruity/piney/spicy hop punch, but those start to fall off pretty quick ( volatile acids and such).
    Ask yourself what do you want from and IPA and the IPAs of old and the "I want my IPA 30 seconds old" mentality wont matter.
    Store it correctly and they will stay fresher longer. Older IPA isn't bad IPA its just a different IPA.
    He even cracked a year old can that has been cared for and the hops were "still bright and fresh..."
     
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  19. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

     
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  20. beerded_drunk

    beerded_drunk Zealot (659) Aug 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Actually the hops weren't specifically designed for a journey, it already existed they just used that beer because it was the only one that would make it! The specific beer and hop combo that was sent to troops in India was the deemed original IPA! the style existed before the war!!!
     
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