Bourbon County Stout: zero head, "5" for look?

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  1. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Just finishing my first-ever Bourbon County Brand Stout and while the aroma and taste were right up there with every other barrel-aged imperial stout I've ever had, the complete lack of head (let alone lacing) was an undeniable weak spot IMHO. Then I check the reviews and a number of people give it a 5 for appearance, noting in the text that it poured with zero or almost zero head.

    The beer basically looks like motor oil and people are giving it the highest possible rating for appearance. Does this seem unusual to anyone else? I've seen a few beautiful imperial stouts with a thick dense mocha head and great lacing, but this isn't one of them. I admit I'm very stingy with "5" ratings, but this strikes me more as wanting to give a beer a higher rating than it deserves.

    Anyone else have thoughts on this? Cheers!
     
  2. tewaris

    tewaris Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Minnesota

    Thoughts?

    If someone wants to give a beer a higher rating, then doesn't the said beer deserve* the rater's higher rating?

    * Barring blatant inflation of rating because of misguided homerism.
     
  3. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Eh, appearance is close to meaningless to my enjoyment of a beer (except, of course, for the name on the bottle...). If there's something really weird going on then sure (like cloudy IPA, floatings, or whatever) but a 14% BBA stout with zero head isn't really surprising.
     
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  4. vacax

    vacax Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2008 California

    In a big beer head retention is by de facto minimal and also tied to the carbonation level. These can really be at odds with each other, so if you had a nice big head it might indicate the carbonation is too high. Examples are very few and far between, for example, Hunahpu's. However, there are other things to look for in a stout. The apparent thickness, lack of light penetration, the way it sticks to the glass, alcohol legs, these are all things a big beer can look amazing in while not having a big fluffy head. Does the beer look good, does it look tasty? It doesn't necessarily need a big head to do so in this type of beer. If it were an IPA or a saison, yeah it would be really odd, but for a massive bourbon aged stout I don't see a real problem. It's an incredible beer.
     
  5. foobula

    foobula Zealot (735) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    I really wish a pour of BCBS did look like it does on their web page:
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    That being said, even with zero head it still looks beautiful to me.
     
  6. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Now for that beer, I'd give a 5 for appearance.

    Just to follow up on my OP, I just entered my review and score (giving a 3 for look) and I still came out with an exact 4.38 (rDev 0%). Not sure what that indicates exactly, except that giving it what I think is an average or even generous score for appearance didn't negatively impact the overall score.
     
  7. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I think some parts of the review process are (sometimes at least) more objective than others. Taste and aroma are probably more subjective, but appearance is, well, appearance. A yellow beer doesn't look brown to you. A beer either has a nice dense head (see image above) or it doesn't. Now some of the explanations for why a beer like BCBS doesn't have much or any head (see vacax) are certainly valid, but I don't know that I could justify giving a beer an appearance score I almost never give to any beer based on those explanations.

    Bottom line, this is a very minor issue (as pointed out by stupac2) and the only review that matters to me is my own. I guess I wonder if people are less than honest with themselves about parts of the scoring process in order to reach the overall score they think a beer deserves. And there's that word again.
     
  8. foobula

    foobula Zealot (735) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    I seem to recall having a BCBS a number of years ago that had quite a head on it, reminiscent of the one in the marketing material. But none of the ones I've had lately (bottled or draft) have had much of a head to speak of. I know the ABV of BCBS has been steadily creeping up over the past decade (from maybe 11% to 15%). Perhaps this has been at the expense of head retention.

    According to this, appearance only contributes 5% to the overall score. Taste & Overall contribute a combined 65%. That's fine by me. I'm cool with a beer that tastes phenomenally, regardless of how it looks. Unless it looks like liquid shit, I guess.
     
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  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Yeah, this is fine by me too. It's not like I poured this beer and said "yuck." I was just surprised that other people thought its appearance deserved a perfect score. To me it's nowhere close to a 5. I thought HotD Matt was a delicious beer too, but I gave it a 2 for appearance because not only did it have zero head, it also poured completely flat. At least BCBS had some carbonation.
     
  10. foobula

    foobula Zealot (735) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    You've got my curiosity piqued. Next BCBS I pour from a bottle, I'll pour vigorously. (What is it that Left Hand Milk Stout Nitro says on the bottle? "POUR HARD") Just to see if I can get any kind of head out of it.
     
  11. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Good luck w/ that. Usually even if I pour a beer pretty gently, if it has the potential for a decent head then all's needed is a quick swirl of the snifter and a rich caramelly head emerges. Parabola for example. That swirl also releases some truly amazing aromas with almost any worthy imperial stout (and BCBS is definitely a great smelling beer). All I got on the swirl w/ BCBS though was the thinnest layer of big bubbles that dissipated almost instantly.
     
  12. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    PM the reviewers and ask. if you found any number to text relationship odd in any of my reviews, i'd have an explanation for it.

    though, if you write something like, "you said 'no head' but 5.0 for appearance. aren't you just trying to jump on the bandwagon in loving the beer and overrating it? your review doesn't make sense," in your message and get a reply back like, "fuck you," don't be surprised.
     
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  13. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    False advertising; clearly it's a defective product and they need to send me all of their product as it surely doesn't meet their quality standards!
     
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  14. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I have 9 bottles of first stage infection Rabid Duck. The 3 I've opened look just like the photo shopped pic of BCBS posted above when poured.

    Normally this beer has almost no head, and leaves thick legs of bubbly oil when swirled, is dark like inside a cave, and no photon can pass through its motor oil-reminiscent thickness. You would not give this beer a high rating for look in its normal state, I gave it a 4.5, as it looks like all the best impy stouts I have tried and that is how I rate, does it look like the ones that taste the best.

    However, the infected RD's would almost certainly get a 5 from you for appearance.
     
  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Thoughts? Yes. With an ABV that high what would be unusual or surprising is if you could pour it and get a thick dense mocha head and great lacing. So appearance compared to other uninfected high ABV beers is pretty good, and easily a 4 if not a 5.
     
  16. dukes

    dukes Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Maryland

    All the more reason why one shouldn't rely solely on these subjective ratings to determine if a beer is right for them. One's criteria for greatness could be another's criteria for mediocrity. For instance, it seems most people find Heady Topper to be one of the ugliest beers they've had, yet I consider it to be one of the most aesthetically pleasing. I find the floaties and cloudiness to have a unique rustic and hearty appearance that give the beer real character.

    To each his/her own.
     
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  17. Mavajo

    Mavajo Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2007 Georgia

    Appearance is pretty much a worthless statistic. I'd have no complaints if they just removed it.

    The only time I ever find myself remarking on the appearance is when it's a brilliant crystal-clear IPA or DIPA. More often than not, that variable only serves to bring down the rest of my rating.
     
  18. HarrySTruman

    HarrySTruman Initiate (0) May 16, 2012 Michigan

    Most people seem to give high marks for all categories if they loved the beer. I'm with you, OP, even if a beer tastes and smells fantastic, if it doesn't have any head or lacing, and most beers of the style do, it should probably get lower marks.

    To people saying appearance means nothing, I fully disagree. I think the way a beer looks in the glass, as well as the art on the bottle, are important to the overall beer drinking experience. That being said, if a really great tasting and smelling beer looked terrible in the glass, and had really stupid looking art on the bottle or six pack, I'd still buy it if I was in the mood. To each their own.
     
  19. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2008 Georgia

    Bottle art should not be considered when reviewing the appearance of a beer.
     
  20. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    the beer is 14% alcohol (that impacts head retention), the beer has low carbonation (that impacts head retention). Also appearance is based on color, clarity, head texture, head color, and head retention. If you went into this beer thinking it will have this great billowing head that lasts and lasts, your expectations were simply incorrect, given the style. The beer in question is beautiful when poured. Not saying this directly to you..but cleanliness of glassware and the method of pouring can also impact head (user error).
     
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