Bad Trader Alert - @Quickicks

Discussion in 'Bad Traders' started by Graffy, Nov 22, 2014.

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  1. Graffy

    Graffy Pundit (774) Jan 10, 2014 California
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    I'm going to avoid posting his handle at the moment. Heres the story. We agreed on a trade (BA Monsters Park Set for DB Cake + BASC). He wants to expand. I end up tossing in a almanac sour, red poppy and an extra in my box. He says he can send westbrook gose or wicked weed stuff. I responded with gose is cool or a regular mexican cake but definitely do not send me any wicked weed brews.

    He asks if I can ship first in a six bottle shipper so he can send it back. I ship the package out he receives it in proper condition. Takes him ~ 4 to 5 weeks to send it back with intermittent communication. When I get the package back (not the 6 bottle shipper I sent but a different non shipper box). It contains a DB Cake, wicked weed indulgence, hop drop, jam session. Clearly not close to what we agreed upon.

    I ask him whats up pointing out that it is not what we agreed upon. He makes up some lame excuse that he thought he sent gose but he didnt like the beers I sent anyway and I purposely sent him bad beers. His issue was the low carb on the monsters park. I messaged him back (several times a few days apart) asking if he was going to send the missing beers we agreed upon. No response for about 10 days even though he has been logged on to the site several of the days. Looks to me that he is clearly ignoring my messages.

    Ive made several trades for beers I thought ended up begin lesser quality (in some cases drain pours) but never held that against someone I traded with. Different opinions on this?

    Bad feedback justified at this point? Part I'm struggling with is he has 25+ feedback with no negative feedback left. Just not sure if I have any options and to be honest am tired of dealing with it

    Thoughts would be appreciated. Never had to deal with a situation like this yet on my site
     
  2. SurlyUtopia

    SurlyUtopia Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2013 Minnesota

    He needs to send you another box with BASC and Gose
     
  3. itracy63

    itracy63 Savant (1,187) Apr 20, 2013 Washington

    Out him so he can respond to these allegations. Members need to know who this is before they agree to a trade with him. One thing we've been seeing here is that previous stellar trade feedback doesn't disqualify someone from becoming a bad trader.
     
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  4. BlumBeer

    BlumBeer Initiate (0) May 17, 2012 Florida

    Somebody with 25+ completed trades and perfect feedback should definitely know how this works, but we all know that there are 3 sides to every story. We've heard from you, I would like to hear from him and then the jury, aka your fellow BAs, can figure this out.
     
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  5. craft_is_king

    craft_is_king Pundit (773) Jul 24, 2014 California

    if he sent the wrong beers (weather intentionally or not) he needs to make up for it.

    If there is an issue with any beer, he can't hold that against you. The brewer may have not wanted a highly carbonated beer since it is an Imperial Stout.
     
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  6. itracy63

    itracy63 Savant (1,187) Apr 20, 2013 Washington

    Yeah, that's ridiculous. It's really easy, especially right here on this site, to do a little research and get some feedback on a particular beer before one trades for it.
     
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  7. Graffy

    Graffy Pundit (774) Jan 10, 2014 California
    Trader

    To be honest its pretty frustrating. @Quickicks feel free to weigh in here. Feel like I gave you plenty of opportunity to make it right
     
  8. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    Changed title to reflect he is being called out.
     
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  9. dmbforever

    dmbforever Initiate (0) May 8, 2013 Wisconsin
    Trader

    A few questions to ask before I make a judgment even without hearing the other side (assuming you have proof through texts or BM's)
    (1) were the beers to be exchanged clearly defined on both parties sides?
    (2) were addresses exchanged and ship dates/scheduled communicated?
    (3) he received the correct beers? You didn't receive the correct beers?
    If all those are yes, then he DEFINITELY needs to fix this!!! And ship what was agreed upon. It doesn't matter how good your feedback is and how many trades you've made. I don't have a problem adding a reputable trader to my DTL. Hope this gets resolved.
     
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  10. ResIpsaLoquitur

    ResIpsaLoquitur Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2010 New York
    Trader

    There are mistakes, there are accidents....and then there's this.

    This isn't a situation where a box was damaged or lost in shipment and the person won't, or can't, make good,on it.

    This isn't a situation where someone made an honest mistake and sent the wrong beer (which people have done to me)

    Nope.......this is a situation where the person purposefully set out to screw you, and did it.

    And in hindsight, it looks like this was his,plan all along. He asks you to ship first. Takes him time drinking your beers and evaluating what he thinks they're worth, then sends you what he feels like.

    Fucking incredible. There's no grey area here. There's no explanation that works, assuming your version of events is accurate.

    And @Graffy .....this is where your responsibility comes in. I'd be willing to bet this isn't the first time he's done something like this. He screwed you, because nobody left bad feedback for him before. So it's up to you to make sure he doesn't do it to somebody else.

    Again, this is all presuming youve told the story accurately
     
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  11. King_Ranch

    King_Ranch Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Texas

    Stinks.

    I had beers with him in a little tasting at the BASC release.

    If the facts are as you state and he does not come through, hit me up and Ill send you my last BASC out of my stash and throw in a few other things for the trouble ( including a WW from my trip back through Asheville ).

    I am hoping it is a misunderstanding and he comes through.
    I take it personally when it is people I have met.
     
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  12. mythaeus

    mythaeus Pooh-Bah (2,074) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I boggles my mind that people think they can pull these stunts and will get away with it. Ughhhh...
     
  13. Graffy

    Graffy Pundit (774) Jan 10, 2014 California
    Trader

    @dmbforever
    1 - Yes bottles were clearly defined that were mentioned above. There was flexibility on the expanded portion of the trade on his side (outside of the gose) as mentioned above.
    2 - Yes - he said he would ship and return the bottle shipper once received on his end
    3 - Yes

    @King_Ranch - Thanks for the offer but definitely not necessary. More concerned with other people getting taken advantage of.
     
  14. BlumBeer

    BlumBeer Initiate (0) May 17, 2012 Florida

    do you have BM's you can post @Graffy ?
     
  15. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    Just edit personal info out please, if you do post them.
     
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  16. BlumBeer

    BlumBeer Initiate (0) May 17, 2012 Florida

    yes, sorry for not specifying
     
  17. PatrickInAustinTx

    PatrickInAustinTx Savant (1,088) Nov 16, 2013 Texas
    Trader

    Damn, looks like I'm gonna start a bad trader list. I can't keep up with all these people.

    FTR, I have heard in a few different cases that there was zero carb in the Monsters Park beers. But nothing about them being terrible. Just flat.
     
  18. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I'm starting to feel like I'm in the BA twilight zone. The amount of bad/questionable trader threads recently is ridiculous and despicable.
     
  19. Graffy

    Graffy Pundit (774) Jan 10, 2014 California
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  20. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Not sure if its just my phone but nothing comes up.
     
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